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I understand peoples point of view - but it's done. There's nothing to be gained from constantly criticising players in my view - it doesn't help them. Ward was brought in as back up anyway and if JBA thinks he needs dropped then I'm sure he will do it.

There's usually one guy gets pelters and soon it will be someone else. SOd, Kelly, ap Stam , now Ward. Next it will be someone else. Stama has improved as has SoD.

Think one reason wards getting stuck is that the goals he conceded have been so costly. We could have had 6 points from last 2 games if he didn't make the errors and be near top of league.

I don't think he got as much as Ward is getting after a few games - Kelly's poor spell went on longer. Obviously it's different because we've just started the season. Like I went to two away games last season. One was a 4-1 loss and the other a 3-1 loss. I didn't see Aston get the grief Ward is currently getting if that makes sense

Aye at least two seasons he was absolute garbage

Can't agree there, Kelly got tons of grief when his form dropped.

I feel the same too and you know if players are sensible they won't look at the criticism on social media. I also get the fact that we pay money and have a right to criticise. I'm just not sure that it's productive that a couple of players are told over and over that they aren't good enough. Also because the only reason Ward was in goals to start with was because Ox was injured. He was asked to step up - Matty too. I think we will only know how things are going to pan out when Aston is back in goals. If he deserves the number one spot fine - but I don't think Ward is a terrible keeper

Yeh I feel the same way about AP. Guy is slogging his guts out - perhaps even overtrying but it's not coming off for him.

I really do get that. But I think it's a bit ridiculous that Kellys poor run in goals lasted something like ten weeks (someone can correct me if I am wrong). And there were issues with Kelly and the defence when Hammell was in charge too Like for me if Ward goes in goals again and makes an arse of it - drop him. I just think the criticism he's getting just now is a tad disproportionate

Early days as you are saying. I think the grief AP is getting and Ward is getting is, is because of the JBA words of ambition. The fans are now being ambitious too. If the two had been on top form we would be on 8 points & I think a very deserved 8 points as well.

if it's last orders in last chance saloon for Ward - let's hope he doesn't order shots!

You've said that already. Why would it be last chance saloon? He's made mistakes but so does every goalkeeper. Do you not think we should back our players? There were folk slagging off Ox last season - folk have very short memories. And like I said earlier - Liam Kelly went a lot longer going through a very poor spell and he didn't get the grief Ward is currently getting

Your right we all like Ox hands. Like to see ox back. It must be last orders in last chance saloon for ward.

I think JBA likes Wards feet and we all like Ox's hands!

This is it in a nutshell. Doesn't matter what we think he's the guy who sees him every day in training and you either trust his judgement or you don't.

For the first time in many years there's very positive signs. The best football I can recall us playing in +40 years, as good as we were in the 90s with McLean and also under Mcghee v1. We have a very good manager, the best squad in years with people who can actually play football. There's a few teams that will be on the wrong end of spanking from us. Aberdeen may well be one of them.

Ward has made a couple of big errors but he's also made more than one decent save to keep us in matches - notably two at Tynecastle. I think it's pretty clear some people want Ox back and that's fair enough but Ward hasn't been all bad - just that when you make a big error - it's more noticeable Every keeper lets in goals. Kelly had a really dismal spell for us at one point - pretty prolonged if I recall and some people were saying Ox should go in goals then - I think we should give Ward a break tbh - and personally I trust JBA to make the right decision

Yes need Ox back. Ward must be in last chance saloon.

Any reason why we couldn't get that first win against Dundee?

Rome wasn't built in a day as they say........in Rome

It's the last night of my holiday, gonnae no put me on a downer!! 🤣🤣

For me the problem is more with the goalkeeper than the defence

Yeah it’s just a shame. I do get it right enough. A legendary goalkeeper for Motherwell. Weird his league cup winning medal isn’t up for sale ?

A shame but maybe the owners badly need the cash or they have no interest in or knowledge of football or Johnny's career.

Arguably two last Saturday, at least in part?