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No, those are all fair points. Our away form certainly hasn't been outstanding, though it hasn't been disastrous. One home loss in March is beyond anyone's wildest dreams, as is the quality of football. The success of the season does all depend on these last 8 games. It feels as though everyone's pretty much running on fumes at this stage. Those guys have put themselves where they need to be, so I suppose we're about to find out if they have the mentality, or to put it more bluntly, the balls to stay there.

Hearts, Celtic, St Mirren (This season) you can argue Rangers. Before you tell me St Mirren are staring at a play-off I'd have their season over ours 100 times out of 100.

My target this season was 7th spot. So, we've more than achieved that. Bottom line its been a great season results wise. Performance wise even better. As the season progressed and we settled in 4th spot I became increasingly optimistic that we could finish there. I never thought, at any stage, that a title challenge was even a remote possibility. Ambition wise, that left a top 3 finish, and I always felt that was extremely remote and is now well outwith our grasp. My disappointment at Dens was our chance to win our game in hand and pretty much seal a 4th place finish and we failed. To put things in perspective, this is JBA's first season in charge and he's introduced a completely alien way of playing. I've been surprised at just how well the squad adapted. Our possession stats rocketed and just look at the number of clean sheets we achieved - unheard of in my time. Its the best football I've seen from us since I was a young lad i.e. the latter days of the Ancell era. Is it the best Motherwell team I've seen? No. The team of the mid 70s, which won nothing, was a better all round team. Why am I questioning our mentality in big games? Rangers in 2 home games; Hearts at Tynecastle where we blew a 3 goal lead; 2 losses at Parkhead; League Cup Semi Final defeat to St Mirren; Aberdeen loss in the Scottish Cup; and Dundee at Dens. Now I'm not saying that all of that was down to our mentaility because it wasn't. JBA settling in tactics wise; poor refereeing/VAR; and sheer bad luck have all played a part, but lack of that hard mentality has been a theme running through these games. As I'm finishing this post, I've just read Thewellfan's post. To crib from him/her our away form has been fair at best. Our possession stats haven't always translated into hard goals and results. We are where we are and I'm more than happy with that. I'm confident these weaknesses will be rectiifed in time for next season. Apologies for the rant and straying off topic.

Which team in our league has a big game mentality?

We do not have a big game mentality. Bottled a 3-0 lead at Tynecastle, got hammered of a poor St Mirren team in the LC semi final. Haven't beaten a team in the top 9 away from home in the league. (We did beat Aberdeen in the LC QF). Lost to an Aberdeen side with an Interim manager in the Scottish Cup. The minute we got spoken about as potential title contenders we've been beaten of Dundee and Celtic. We've had some good wins at home but we're going to look back on the season as another opportunity missed to put a trophy in the cabinet.

It's a tried and trusted tactic by them...is there any chance this " Rangers man" is not going to give them all the 50/50 s, the hassle wouldn't be worth it. All the refs are Masons...Ken what I mean

Jens didn't sound like he was questioning the penalty or the red card in his interview. VAR were always going to give the first, which was always going to result in the second. It's what the 3 wise monkeys choose not to get involved in that's the pisser, even though we know those were the rules long before VAR existed.

The 2 home games against Hibs and Falkirk are absolutely critical to finishing 4th. I can't see us winning both games. From that lot I can see us picking up maybe 6 or 7 points. Thats not to say, of course, that we still won't finish 4th. Hibs may well pip us at the post, but they're not perfect either as their failure to beat Livingston yesterday shows.

Kmcalpin has repeatedly said we were never in the mix for a title challenge, so that can't be his reasoning. Singling out defeats as proof we lack big game mentalty while ignoring the home wins against Celtic and Hibs, the draws against Rangers, or any other 3 points that have helped put us where we are now, feels harsh. The title's still up in the air and only St Mirren have won silverware (while staring at a play-off), so we're pretty much all in the same boat when it comes to questioning mentality - which Hearts, Hibs and Falkirk fans are probably doing this morning.

I think Tex meant for wrestling in the box at a corner. I agree, you dont usually see that. However, when it happens at the back post, your defender is isolated and the keeper has come and missed leaving the goal wide open, it creates a particular set of circumstances that is hard to defend.

Yip, just watched the highlights and agree with all of that. Celtics penalty and red card I can live with, but how Chamberlain remained on the park is a disgrace. Changes the whole game.

I’m still annoyed by the Dundee game, much more so than that yesterday. If we’d have played with the same attitude against Dundee as we did yesterday we’d be sitting on 56 points and miles clear of Hibs.

Cos it was our game in hand which if we'd won would put us right in the mix for a title challenge, the media had actually started taking us seriously, and we instantly lost to a Dundee team, that while improving, hadn't won in their last 3 home matches, including Livingston.

This is a must win for me now. We've been brilliant at home this season and put ourselves in a good place to get into Europe, a win here makes it a 9 point gap with 7 to play and opens up a nice cushion going into a very difficult last 7 games. I think we're going to have to get to 63 points to secure us 4th and that means realistically we're looking at winning our home games v Hibs and Falkirk and then collecting 4 points from Hearts (H&A), Celtic (H), Rangers (A), Falkirk (A), Hibs (A).

When was the last time you were at Parkhead or Ibrox it happen all the time. Opposition red cards for fuk all.

3-3 draw

I think JBA and the players are hurting right now and that they are going to come out next week and remind everyone why we got so many plaudits this season.

We still have 8 games left. ‘mon the ‘Well ! we are not done yet !!!!

When watching stream today it showed same angle repeatedly but no view from behind goal. So not sure if Maeda was pulling Longello’s shirt. If he wasn’t, then it’s a penalty. However, I’ve never seen a red card for that type of Incident.

Where did you watch highlights? Would like to watch them. Sportscene highlights AS USUAL did not reflect on how we controlled game for so much of the time. And assault on Just - not mentioned.

Just in and watche highlights Oxlade-Chamberlain should have been on 2 yellows Maeda flings an elbow JT pen claim is no softer than the Celtic one. Fed up of this refereeing time and again.

Hearts keep playing like that, and the uglies won't need much help reeling them in.

With hearts losing today, just watch as Celtic and Rangers both start to get 'narrow' wins involving penalties and winners in the 100th minute.

Not for us though. They'll be sweating in Paisley tonight!

Start Thor next week for Said. Said went off boil recently.