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Never in the same league as his dad but he had a half decent career.

Tom Hateley was ok but not as good as he thought he was.

I sincerely hope any talk of us signing Joe Lewis is quashed sooner rather than later. That guy is the worst goalkeeper I've seen play against us in my lifetime. I don't remember seeing a goalkeeper make so many successive blunders against us as he has.

I would have liked him more if he hadn't continually been trying to score directly with corner kicks.

Yeah he was pitched in for his debut after Paul Shane managed to get "injured" in a warm up on the opening game of the 2009/10 season vs St Johnstone and for the next three seasons he never missed a game. Scored a few fantastic free kicks against Rangers and Odense.

Know he wasn't everyone's favourite, but I always liked him when he was here.

“Offered a new contract” could be three irn bru bottles and two freddo bars every week . Being offered a contract that if you accept suits us very well and if you dont like it then bye bye . It all depends on whats offered , may be good business sense by us.

Just saw that on twitter

Tom Hateley has announced his retirement from football.

I'd also like to know what the well society option is going to be

well that would be my expectation, the WS say they have plans so lets see them .

A few people were calling for Ross and Ferrie to get game time. I assume Kettlewell rates them as they got on last game of the season. Someone has just said on pie and bov they think McGinn is fitter and faster than SOD even though he's older. I've never really thought about that tbh. I just think SOD is a much better player than he gets credit for at times. Personally. I'd like to see them both retained for us. The one I'm concerned about is Mugabi. Id also like to see another keeper signed. But on the other hand I think Ox has waited long enough for his chance. No need to apologise. Think we can just hope that we do decent business when the transfer window opens and there will be competition for places. I do think also our defence has been shaky for more than one season. We let more or less the same amount of goals in the season before. There's maybe just been more focus on it this season due to the long winless streak. I'd love to see Gent back with us even though it's probably never going to happen. We do need young defenders too.

Fair do's they won't be a year older compared to season end. I stand corrected. Apologies. They will be a year older than they were when last season started, and so on throughout the season. Not so relevant regards youngsters but a factor to be considered with senior players as games mount up. Especially if we have two good cup runs......I live in hope. I agree with your views re Gent, SOD, Mugabi and Kelly. With only limited viewing admittedly, Wilson is the only youngster that I think is anywhere near first team ready. And he was farmed out on loan last season after the League Cup so not clear what plans they have for him. Happy he has another year.

The only one I've got concerns about is Mugabi. And tbh. They wont be a year older. They will be three months older than when the season finished. I can understand why we offered Butcher new terms even if it possibly wasn't the wisest decision. As for Ox. No one knows yet whether he will be first choice or not. Also. There are people who have been shouting for the youth to be given a chance. I absolutely understand why people are concerned. But there's a long way to go till August. I assume Kelly was offered terms and said no. But I don't know. Id be more than happy if Gent returned. And I do understand why people think our defence needs a complete overhaul. Re Kelly. I think it was time for him to go and I think most people knew he wouldn't be with us next season. Even though his form dipped for us he was always going to attract interest from elsewhere. I do think SOD is worth another year though. Agree. All about opinions.

If every one of the out of contract players had accepted new terms, we could have ended up with exactly the same defence we completed the season with. Possibly except for Gent who many considered the best and most dynamic of the lot. Fortunately a couple have rejected terms as you say so that will not happen, But the concerning message is that the club, with or without SK's approval, were prepared to run 100% with a group of players that regularly underperformed as a unit. No offence, but would you have been comfortable starting the season with, Kelly, SOD, McGinn, Mugabi, Butcher, Casey, Gent (maybe) Blaney as first choices with Wilson, Ross, Oxborough as back ups? Our Board and Manager apparently were. We got away with it this season. Not so sure we would have next season given the senior players would all be a year older. At least now with Kelly and Butcher moving on there is some scope for change. But not as much scope as there should have been. All about opinions though.

To be fair if they are under contract there's very little the club can do. Plus Kelly and Butcher are away. Casey and Blaney are the ones still under contract?

Not just the majority. Every one of them. 100%! Either already under contract, offered terms or requested back on loan. Add in retained youngsters (Ross and Wilson) and that would not have left much, if any, room for additions. I don't think that every one of them needed to go, but because of contracts expiring we had the chance to make wholesale changes to a poorly performing area of the team and at the same time ending up with a bloated squad and a massively increased wage bill. Not so sure that will be possible now.

I've only got two essays to go to finish the year... And I need to pass them both to finish this year (no pressure). I've been derailed slightly this week with studying because of my broken leg. (Hard to explain... The pain. But I do need to crack on). Crack maybe being the wrong word.

If you spend half as much time studying as you do posting on here, you'll sail through your exams!

Yeah I hope so. In other news renewing my season ticket is going to be so much fun. I can't renew online as I'm a student. I'm just hoping my mum can take the proof I need to show and do it for me.

If seeking to retain the majority of a defence that's only kept three clean sheets all season is his idea of improvement, we’re doomed.

I don't know about having money to spend, but if the investment talks come to nought, then we'll benefit financially from the Society proposal - no?

We need to find a team of Theo Bairs 🤣 not suggesting Theo isn't quality, the opposite. Actually depending on how the investment talks go we might have some more money to spend (or possibly not if the offer isn't suitable).

Or maybe it's as simple as retain them if they take a wage cut. And so reduce the wage bill overall. Finance ahead of quality which may well be a line SK has had to go along with. As well as referring to a Takeover, Caldwell also stated we cannot continue making losses each season. His words, not mine. (before Steelboy tells me we have millions in the Bank.)

To be fair it was me that suggested that - and it's likely not the case given he sees the players much more than any of us. I would have thought it a bit odd though given the rest of the defence were offered terms if Mugabi wasn't. Particularly as Butcher who featured far less than he did was offered a new contract. (I don't know anyone at Fir Park and have zero inside info). I also don't think he'll be away if we have a bad start to the season - we often don't start the season well irrespective of who is or isn't playing.