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I'm reading a lot of stuff in the media that seems to be following the line of the agent knocking back deals and suchlike. It's worth remembering that the agent actually works for Turnbull, not the other way around. I know there's a weird misconception that these evil, sneaky agents are all taking advantage of these poor, unfortunate souls who don't know any better, forcing them to take deals they don't want to sign and being "in their ear" about this and that. Anything the agent knocked back will have been done entirely in consultation with his client. They are one and the same in these discussions. If the agent knocks back a deal from Celtic, he's doing so at the behest of Turnbull.

Very much a tale of two players and two different personalities at this point. Hastie who had a bit of history of not putting in the work, overweight, less than wise tweets while on a lads holiday, and already looking like he will be loaned out with question marks already raised at this point, Rangers trying to hoover up Scottish talent to avoid him going to a competitor with no real plan for his development. Celtic trying to do the same with what looks like a far wiser individual in Turnbull who has noted what’s already happening with Hastie and is looking at the bigger picture and how he would like his career to develop. The next move for Turnbull is huge, the same way it was for Hastie who I feel made the wrong decision, big money yes but I think he’s also put his whole football career at risk. I just don’t think Turnbull is going to make that mistake and if he does join Celtic it will only be when he’s happy that the plans they have for him are to his benefit. I would love him to stay for another season with us but that’s for purely selfish reasons. He’s playing with others that are not at his technical level and never will be, that goes for the league as a whole, so how does he develop further ? He needs to be playing with players that are better than him, that will improve his game, coaches that are used to working with the best players in the world. He’s definitely looking for a move down south now which with the right club and everything they can offer development wise makes sense. He’s probably gone as far as he can in the Scottish game which is a level below his ability.

Also highlights another reason why Celtic assumed they could low-ball his wages and still have Liam and John Paul advise it was a good idea...

Maybe he's like many of us and detests the Green and Grey Hoop mob. LOL

2007 .... is that also when you made your last positive post?

I note you picked out the only negative bit in the post. All in all, the right player on loan at the right time will be of benefit to any Club.

Because you're making it sound as though the benefits are all one-way, which isn't the case at all. Any player we bring in on loan is obviously recruited on the basis that our manager believes he's better than anyone we currently have, or could get otherwise, to play that position. A better player means a better team, which hopefully means a higher league placing, which means more money (although apparently the extra money from league placings doesn't really matter to some fans). Does having a player out on loan benefit the parent club? Of course it does, otherwise what's the point in them doing it? Everyone benefits theoretically. The player gets game time, the parent club sees their player get some experience, and the loan club gets a player that the manager believes will improve the side. What I am against is loaning in absolute fucking lumps like Conor Sammon. If a potential loan player isn't good enough to play for the first team and add some quality that we don't already have then there's no point in doing such a deal. But if Celtic, Rangers, or any other club for that matter, are looking to loan out a player and our manager thinks "yeah, that lad could do us a real turn. He's of the quality we'd likely never get otherwise and he can improve our team" then I'd have no issue at all with the manager sounding the player out.

Aren't you just a ray of sunshine. I see no reason why this run won't continue.

The thing about loan deals is that it allows you to bring in a player that you normally wouldn't be able to afford. While we may have been paying a % of the wages of the loan players we've brought in their parent clubs are also footing part of the bill. It's the reason we were able to bring in guys like Ruddy and the Juke from Everton and is the reason guys like Aldred were never likely to sign permanently. Unless they're dross it benefits everyone. The player gets experience and development, the parent club gets (hopefully) a better player after the loan, and we get to build a squad while balancing the books. Acknowledge it's not ideal to get players from the same division but sometimes opportunities arise that the club and coaching staff think will allow us to compete. Might not work in everyday work scenarios though I'm sure if you offered my employer a chance to bring in staff and only pay a % of their wages they'd bite your hand off.

Happens all the time in my line of work, my last two promotions in house were gained via going on secondment to competitor at the level at their cost to them come back to my main employer into the role I was doing elsewhere as I proved I was capable

That tweet from Celtic is one of the most unprofessional clusterfucks from a social media account that I've ever seen. Absolutely tremendous! What are they trying to achieve with that?

That tweet or statement or whatever from Celtic sums they cunts up. I fucking hate them

I'll no buy a season ticket if it hasn't got a hoop.

Timeline:- David having medical at Celtic David passed medical David not in the country Tweet come from Celtic (sounds more like Donald Trump) " a fantastic offer ... a magnificent offer" !!! what does that mean? - The standard of journalism in the country is the pits, if only we could have an exclusive from Jimmy "I want bums on seats" Sanderson which had some truth to it as opposed the the fantasy guff that is spouted in the Scottish Press

I’d vote for him in that category. He’s a grade ‘A’ wanker who has zero respect for the club that gave him the stage to perform. He’s not fit to grace a Motherwell hall of fame. In fact we should tell him that he’s being inducted but send him the wrong date and venue. I’ve renamed him ‘Tom Void’ as he’s nonexistent to me.

25 years after it was suggested to John Swinburne, along with a proposal for a website and a statistical record on that new thing the internet. His words - "No one wants to look at statistics or old match reports, we have the former players club and the internet is a fad" #Visionary

Joe Wark.