Goggles & Flippers

So, here we are at the vote, I'll do the midfield and forwards shortly. Thought based on the weighting it would be best to go for a 3-3-4, so please vote accordingly, limit your votes to the correct amount per section. If a moderator could merge this with the original thread I'd be obliged, I couldn't introduce a poll. Obviously a lot of votes will be influenced by when you started attending FP.

So all identified except for this lot, any help appreciated. Angeand Paul Shepstone Derek Murray Jamie Doyle

nobody inclined to go through the list I compiled and help me? no? bunch of wideo's .....

Well rather than have a go, give me a hand FFS

Anyone want to help with that list please?

What is it they say about twitter, at its best 5 minutes after something happens and at its worst for the 12 hours immediately after that. Me thinks this forum can be the same. Let calm down and see what comes out over time rather than second guessing and conjecture. Also I would be eternally indebted to the Bois if they had a stunt planned for Parkhead, I recall Rangers showed up to a match after part of the roof fell off and everyone had a yellow builders helmet on, genius.

So I've went through over 100 posts and compiled a list, some my be in the wrong position heading, some I need clarification on position, first names, etc. so any help appreciated. Just put a "D", "M" or a "F" beside the name. NB It took me ages GOALKEEPERS: Colin Meldrum John Gardiner Stevie Woods Mikko Kaven John Fallon Cammy Duncan DEFENDERS: Karl Ready AlanAndy Sneddon? (is this someone getting it wrong or are they two separate players?) Jamie Doyle Franz Resch Sasa Curcic Said Chiba Ange Oueifio Alex Burns Gary Bollan Yassin Moutouakil Jonsson Greg Denham Danny Murphy Bobby Donnelly Gary Bollan Eddie Forrest MIDFIELDERS: Chic McClelland Alan Mackin John Muir Gordon "Night" Mair Derek 'Ruby' Murray Paul Keegan Trevor Molloy John Davies Roberto Martinez Trevor Molloy Bob Malcom Eddie May Andy Dow Alex Spark Davie Shanks Pat Gardner Sam Goodwin Alan Gow FORWARDS: Calum Elliot Derek Townsley Davide Ferrerre Andy Roddie John Hendrie Omar Daly Kevin Christie Esteban Casagolda Michael McGlinchy Callum Elliot Paul Keegan Roy Essandoh Richard Offiong Stephen Halliday CAN'T REMEMBER'S/BLANKED FROM MY MIND/BEFORE MY TIME Neil Tarrant Kevin McBride Brian Kerr Robert Maaskant Tony Thomas Angeand Graeme Miller Gunni Jonssen Nysonnen Davie Shanks Jim Gillespie John Reilly Gregor Stevens Alex Kennedy Paul Shepstone Neil Candlish Derek Murray Shaun Fagan Tony Vaughan Robert Clark Derek Weldon Kevin McDonald Paul Wilson Khaled Kemas Jim Gillespie Mike Larnach Stevie Nicholas Jamie Fairlie Greg Millar Jason Dair Jamie Doyle Joni Lehtonen Elroy Kromheer Mario Dorner Abel Thermeus Franck Bernhard Graeme Smith Jan Michels Rob Matthaei

When there's a big enough list, I'll group them into defenders, midfielders and strikers and we could run a poll, two votes per section will give the definitive shitelist Does Gow get a second?

At least 3 in there who do your post no credit. Law for one, you trying to tell me if you got a phonecall from a headhunter and offered a job with 4x your salary you'd take it? He signed a two year deal, it was up to the club to punt him after 12-18 months, however we didn't and them's the breaks. Lee McCulloch did no wrong when he was here however I suspect his inclusion in your list is because he signed for Rangers after Wigan? If so, get a grip! Bob McHugh is far from being included, he's struggled to get any consistency in the team but has popped up with important goals (Aberdeen when he robbed their left back 40 yards out couple of years back)

Were you at the game ............... Back to the team, maybe endemic of our support but this thread has already reached 26 posts while the best XI is still on 10, goes to show we like a good moan. Based on the argument, lets go with Malpas as boss as he's proved he's considered an able No.2 as he keeps getting a gig and get Harri in as his Assistant. K-------------Gardiner------------------ DF-------------Donnelly----------------- MF--------J. Davies---------------------- WG------------------------------Roddie- ST------Offiong---Casagolda-------- Fraser Sneddon Jonsson Reach Kinnaird Cosgrove Mair Halliday Murphy Keegan Molloy Christie May McSkimming Moutaouakil Happy to put any of the above in the team, Eddie May has had two shouts as has Christie

I'll happily accept that pair. So at present we've got: GK-----------Fraser------------ DF-------------------------------- MF-------J. Davies------------ WG--------------------Roddie- ST---------Casagolda--------

Based on Joewarksfanclub's Best Well team you've witnessed that's based on Off the Ball's Hamilton XI from today. With the help of this list below, anyone want to add some choice duds to make up a woeful line-up you have witnessed? List of Motherwell Players I'm going to opt for Andy Roddie (it was a toss up between him and Derek Townsley) and John Davies (Billy's bro) as the first two into the team.

Randolph Mio/Burley - McCart - Martin - McKinnon Jennings - Lambert - Law McFadden Coyne Cooper Ruddy Skippy McCormack Phil Kaiser Kirky Dougie (This may help rekindle memories)

Just another few of the shitehawks according to you, does it really matter who? Yet again, good bit of business, from them, may it continue.

Maybe because you'd be inclined to shift the goalposts and not declare everything if you were in a position to do so, doesn't mean those at the club feel the same. Its a big call to make to either countenance or promote behaviour such as that when as the senior management team and board members are personally liable for any legal redress, to what put an extra £25k in the coffers every year. Wisen up. As for the attendances issue. We have a core, elements of that core has diminished over the past few years as the general apathy with Scottish football has encroached. Many of my mates who held season tickets have put their £300 towards golf memberships, increased their sky package or just put it in their hippy. The issue we have and I don't think its Motherwell in general its the whole of Scottish football. Commercial departments focus too much on signage, corporate meals and boxes, sponsorship and program ads. Yes these are a significant revenue stream but I feel they are prioritised over bums on seats. 1,000 extra per match results in approximately £300k per season (or 4 first team players), I'm sure I've read before that Derek Weir suggested that this would take us from touch and go, to living comfortably. So what do we do about it? Well if you've lapsed you may get a letter through the post reminding you or a half hearted call. Mind you it's 1,000 calls to return the same money as 100 would from non-ticket related sales. We've not capitalised on our success' of late on the park, I think its safe to say we've got a decent 2,000 fans that could be cajoled if they were engaged, we've seen the population of Motherwell/Wishaw/New Stevenson/Bellshill increase with all the new homes, what's been done to encourage them to consider Motherwell. Every visit those with kids make to a soft play place, swimming pool, etc. costs a fair bit of money (I don't know what Rainforest Adventure is, maybe someone can advise). To market to Dad's in particular, hey you can take up to 2 kids to the football 20 times a year, get them out the house for 3-3.5 hours, combined with a benefits scheme that results in the one ticket they would have to buy would be effectively free (by visiting McD's once a month, Pizza Hut, every 3) is overlooked as too many don't know about it. As for those without kids, the club engaging with them rather than just assuming their loyalty will be enough is no longer acceptable.

I heard we're interested bidding for Andy Goram's internal monologue c. 2000, it will be grafted to Nielsen's subconscious.

You'll have to explain why having 18 teams opposed to 12 would result in fixtures being generated that don't result in us being sent on a 300 mile round trip the day after Christmas. I don't think a 18 team will ruin Scottish football, it'll certainly fuck it up for 5 years or so until the standard of the 6 promoted teams improve and the top 12 adjust their budgets and playing staff to take account of the loss of established visiting fan revenues and TV money. Keep the blue sky thinking going though, don't let me stifle your creativity.

Sorry Brazilian I can't help but feel I have to explain myself fully and in great detail whenever you raise an eyebrow. Legacy of our exchange in the WS thread perhaps? 10 years ago was the Administration era and no doubt as we were one of the first and the laws/penalties have changed since, we've avoided a great deal of upheaval that has and will hang round the neck of quite a few clubs (some we know about and some we will in the next few years). As a result of having our fingers burned I think we've been best placed over the past few years as we introduced our own austerity measures and that has served us well: Ownership - Not a bank/accountant who's aim is to raise short term capital with no thought to the long term, yes JB is looking for an exit, but we're hardly facing a boardroom civil war or impending doom Sustainability - We budget conservatively and by an large (despite any major sales of our young assets) we're much healthier than a great deal of our contemporaries and dare I say it, better placed and more able to deal with future financial worries (2 years ago if you said we'd lose 4 home matches a season vs Rangers and Hearts but gain two with Ross County and Dundee then it would rightly have alarm bells ringing). Hardly a "Staggering" statement unless you wish to taint it negatively. As for this thread, its not the amount of coverage its just the unfanciable nature of our perception.

Did the eloquent one with the Johnny Bravo haircut not get the memo about wearing trackies?

I don't know why during the intensive festive period of 4 games within a short period, when the emphasis is on family getting together and spending time together (no on a motorway), combine that with a bit of a financial dip next season when Hearts drop out the league and are replaced by either Accies or Falkirk, why the powers that be don't use a bit of nonse. I don't know why the league at fixture setting time set the clubs into 3 groups of 4 to schedule 3 games around this period based on geographic location. I'd finesse Texan's suggestion from above slightly. At present you're looking at: ICT Ross County Aberdeen Dundee Utd Well Partick Killie St Mirren Celtic Hibs Hearts St Johnstone I'd advocate Celtic being in the Hibs/Hearts group and us replacing them in the Glasgow/Ayrshire one as they have a fan base from all over the country and can wreck stadiums regardless of where they are. New Year is Derby Day, it doesn't need to be as I think you'd generally get a higher attendance for any fixture as more people are off work. However the four teams in each group would give you the fixtures for Boxing Day, New Year, 28th/29th There may be some movement over the years as teams drop out and come up, you would imagine in 2 years time Celtic would be in the same group as the promoted currants which would result in us switching to the Edinburgh one or if Ross County were to drop, then St Johnstone would switch into their group. If fans could accept that over that period there was a good chance you would tend to see the same teams wither it be home or away, would that upset many on here?

Just seen the front cover of the Motherwell Times where Paul Lawrie thought he'd have a dig at our away support, despite being at Old Trafford, next day his PR company no doubt got in touch and told him to be nice. This prompted me to think of the wider perception of or club, predominantly in the media. I accept we have probably the 7th/8th largest home attendance in the league where we've pretty much been the best of the rest for 4 out the past 6 years. I also accept that the radio jocks, TV presenters and tabloid hacks tend to appeal and pander to their audience, despite that and the best efforts of our award winning Media department. Is it just me or do we seem to get a rough deal? It seems they can't wait to get on to talk about the 10 years of languishing/now doing good/we'll forget about how awful they've been Aberdeen, with glee. The unbridled wankfest that was Dundee Utd's kids up until before Christmas which has now stalled no doubt had a few wishing they hadn't asked Santa for tangerine coloured tissues. OK, I may be biased and no doubt the fans of Killie, Hibs and ICT may think the same. But we have this family friendly club, most players say they like the atmosphere, our ownership and sustainability issues seem to have been resolved 10 years ago and certainly last year, were playing some really attractive stuff. If this general opinion is shared, might be a good idea for a thread to discuss why and any ideas how we can get universally favoured, however it may be simply to increase out home attendance.

I know you think it wouldn't work, but I'd really like to see a modern puma template using our 50's colours with the black socks (even if there are embellishments here and there, that's just part and parcel of modern strips)

My bad OTF, I thought it was 10% not 5%

I'd add Brazilian at present an average Well Society member with a season ticket will have: Paid £300 for their initial membership Pay £300 for a seat in the East Stand Pay £50 per annum to the Well Society And get £30 off their season ticket So discounting joining the society that fan would pay £320 per annum What you are championing is the annual WS sub goes in its entirety to the WS. So that fan would pay: Paid £300 for their initial membership Pay £300 for a seat in the East Stand Pay £50 per annum to the Well Society split into 12 monthly payments And get £0 off their season ticket Meaning that fan pays £350 per annum and the society benefits to a greater amount.

Some seem to be failing to remember that for the WS to be set up they needed £250,000, the only way to achieve that in as quick a time as possible was pay up front, otherwise we'd be reaching that total by monthly subs around now. The club had to incentivise joining in a time of success and no impending doom, a good number of members joined based on this (I agree it wasn't the defining reason but it certainly was the icing on the cake), to remove it completely will alienate people significantly the higher rate members.