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just for Clarity, Full members (Adults) , do not have a 'membership' renewal date. once the membership subscription payment is made, then effectively under the current setup you are a member, no annual fees are required (at present or in the past, although it could change?) the annual term is not related to 'membership' but to associated bolt on products for want of a better expression (at present) like the currently debated 'benefits' package , which you can choose to renew annually under the current setup, at present I think it's £50, but it is not compulsory to pay this retain your membership of the society, as its essentially a payment to the club for them to fund the benefits package ie discounts etc. there was some talk of removing the benefits option, but it was to be reconsidered as some members declared that particularly on the higher packages that the benefits was a primary reason for taking the level of membership. so it was left 'as is'

Defo a question that needs some clarity in regards to kids, drop an email to info@thewellsociety.co.uk and you should get a response.

unfortunate? or just bad scheduling by having both semi finals on consecutive weekends Screwing up the SPFL week if as is likely SPFL teams make the expected grade

Lots of important information lost on far too many people due to lack of simple decent communication from the Society' and answers to well worn questions never being recorded Please if you think its appropriate, email them and tell them so.... pretty sure they're ignoring me now, as since the early meetings I've asked for FAQ sections to be populated and updated they even said in the minutes of the last but one meeting that they would refresh the FAQ section, not had the heart to tell them that there has never been such a section. Even with todays great decision to email previous survey responders with the direct answer that they could now join on longer term contribution plans, it isn't recorded anywhere to acknowledge members, nothing on twitter, facebook or most importantly the Well society webpage. Be nice to now know, the answer , for current members stepping up to next level, do we get the same terms, as Frazzle mentioned, to move from e.g.. steel to Claret over a longer term. and then some detail can we vary the Standing order i.e. start off with a higher contribution and reduce if circumstance change? say £20 or £30 a month but cut down to a minimum off £10 a month if required and step back up until the jump in membership level has been achieved? again steps forward being taken by the society and as a voluntary board members its not fair to be overly critical , but saying one thing then not following it up leads to frustration amongst even committed supporters

Ive misread that and commented thinking the gripe was the run of midweek games as opposed to a singular game Scheduling in general is a shambles in my mind clusters of games where fans players etc expected to turn out then weeks with nothing Scottish and league cup weekends consecutively, screwing clubs who don't make grade pre-scheduled midweek games in winter approaching the split, where historically there are always games needing squeezed in. I thought 6 games in 30 days from Boxing day costing us £137 gate money pushed it too far but 6 games in the 18 days running up to the split at £129 would test most(and the squad!) so aye, shambles , maybe not on the one game though as I said its to be expected.

I'd agree its a shambles but you cannot really argue that there is no need for a midweek game 10 games still to play, 9 weekends but only 7 available, until the split Potential for 'SPFL Fixture Chaos' if winter does arrive

Poland Faroe Islands Germany Finland France Wales Albania Romania Iceland Norway Denmark Greece Spain Russia 14 rounds in modern European competitions and never the same country twice Russia again next time we qualify then

they're looking half decent, we'll have to step it up a gear to stay in touch with them the draw and winning, on Boxing day might turn out to be massive results

Just an update folks, for got to post in December all the money contributed is now with the club: I put some towards it, and agreed to sponsor Euan Murrays, top for the remainder of the season, no fancy advertising or nights out So one person who contributed will get Stu Carswells top and a night out and a second person who contributed will get one of Euans tops at the end of the season I'll sort out a prize draw sometime before the events are announced. thanks again for contributing

A bit far fetched Frazzle, Man Utd in Europe next season the big dilemma this season is what does 2nd place reward over 3rd? an earlier couple of rounds in Europe is more fun and rewarding? but say £500k extra for 2nd place. Although just league place for qualifying might be the real goal

most people know the tie, in Krasnodar cost us money, you said Europe usually costs us money and we should forget it, your posting in multiple threads that we shouldn't bother with Europe? that's just nonsense, Europe has been rewarding in many ways including financially in the last two financial years prior to this season we've received a few quid short of £500k participation money.... Last season we had home gates where everyone paid (as in no ST freebies) Vs panathanaikos 9035 vs Levante 6286 this season vs Krasnodar 6748 so yes one game from around twenty matches has cost us money, that doesn't add up to Europe usually costs us money and we shouldn't bother. let alone considering what commercial/sponsors/advertising/hospitality revenue we gain from participation and even what fans we gain/retain from being up there in the mix, and just in general the profile of the club being raised

I know we're differing on this a little, but the Rangers situation, is the financial bother, the horizon is here , no doubt , no league sponsor, is this years addition to the bother, and no doubt something else will add to it next season, seems to be the way of it the Directors seem to be putting money in to support the day to day running , as in, we need a squad to play in the league, and keep fans coming in (did I mention for the year of the published accounts we had cut 3 players and 5 youth players) Reckon the pitch, is now budgeted for every other year, I'm sure it was mentioned previously when many of us were surprised it got lifted after such a huge rebuild a few years back, although, the upkeep of Fir Park is just one of many demands on the income

Depends on how you pitch it I suppose, Commercially the club has continued to grow and earn more as shown in the published accounts some people within and around the club are doing a tremendous job in the face of an almost impossible set of circumstances ( difficult trading period is maybe more in line with the bean counters) Turnover for the previous year was up around £660k, during a period which included some of the Rangers shambles, the costs only went up around £240k so a significant benefit over that trading period, resulting in the loss being reduced from around £600k to around £180k for like for like periods. Rangers shambles alone, walking out that year, not in worse trouble can only be seen as a good result. but the club should be pleased that Gate receipts were up, sponsorship/advertising was up, Commercial income was up, UEFA income was up (£324k ) and transfer income was up ( and will be again in this years accounts considering 2012 was £0) BUT, broadcasting income down and 'other' income dropped, and wages creeped up a little (so without the great work done, a good league cup draw and Europe we have been screwed with Rangers demise) the Euro cup games and outstanding performance of the football team during the period matched the great of field improvements. The £900k for second would have benefited the club but equally the distribution of funds down the placing's might very well have saved the club if we finished lower. BUT still a loss is a loss, and on the back of the previous trading years loss, it compounded the situation. as quite a large business money is owed to may trading partners, hence my comment that lanc had mixed up loss and debt, the fact is the club needed Society funds to trade through the year, (remember Killie, missed one bill and any trade creditor could call in payment) so whilst the club is in better health than many, we're not exactly in the clear and our situation makes us vulnerable to unexpected costs/change in income Directors have already stated they are likely to require Society funds in the near future, and the losses need paid so end up incorporated in this years costs. so without conventional borrowing facilities, the Society is the only funding option available to put funds into the club to strengthen the business (not to spend but to provide the cash flow to trade on improved terms) and without it Directors will have to shorten budgets if improvements on income (cups, tickets etc) are not forthcoming, which we now know they haven't been this year. Guess my interpretation of the message is, keep spending what you can on your club or society. Its my personal opinion that too many fans think a season ticket is enough, £6 a week might let you attend matches ( with two kids!), but it doesn't get you a long term SPFL club to support. lanc might have been slightly of the mark the other night, but he effectively called it, that £1 a week from each our core support and we would have broke even. Pretty sure Europe has made us money. one bad draw cost us for the one away leg, but effectively the European games have saved us financially over the last few years, yet you want us to forget them? a cup game is a cup game, Domestic or European, they are what boosts the club, all should be encouraged

not sure how that's meant to read, but, only because funds are tight are our directors paying for any extras. if things were, comfortable, then the business would pay for everything.

Think the sherry has you mixed up with trading loss and debt an extra £46.xxp from 4000 contributors would have allowed us to break even on the previous financial year, up to 31 May 2013 you'd have to make a few trips to the cashline, to get an amount 1/4000 of our clubs current liabilities which is hell of a lot higher than that years £188k loss nice sentiment however, and you are correct if every fan just found an extra amount it would make a dent in the club financial worries

So a few years in to the Friday night football experiment, and now we have games switched with less than four weeks notice , in Winter, Motherwell in Dundee, on TV and normal pricing. I said it years ago , the inconsistent match scheduling and late date switches is the biggest own goal of the SPL-SPFL Premiership. I cant find the other Friday football thread, showing attendances were only ever skewed with 'enhancements' and now we have the added 'Sellik' factor damaging chances of extra income for clubs. it'll suit some and not suit others, I'd wager more season ticket holders lose out , over those who gain So, what do folk think years on? Friday night football, does it help Football in Scotland or not?

be interesting to read it through, maybe the speculators will stop spreading optimistic information on league income is that the third year in a row that player bonus has been used as a reason for losses?

Unemployed ---------------> to, Employed on decent wage with decent contract, in a marketplace that a mate has recommended = Good move and like almost every ex player I hope he does well, unless against us ex-players failing after moving does Motherwell no good at all.

Always found it strange that people feel the need to boo and berate someone who served us and moved on, especially one who did so at the clubs request. Over another 10 or so players in front of them in any given game that have never served us in any way shape or form

We beat them in the league only 24 days ago, and whilst it wasn't quite a smash n grab, we certainly carried a bit of luck and got away with the points by the smallest of margins. Aberdeen were the more organised, well drilled and had more flair, we dug deep and united as a team that day, fighting for each other to hold onto a lead. We've lost a key player, but since then some of our swagger has returned with others I'm hoping for a draw or more, they are the strongest side we'll face, they might just have too much for us this year, but with what was shown at Pittodrie and since we can certainly give them a fight for placings

one great season in the 1st division, followed up with a good debut premier league debut season, but not fulfilling anywhere near the promise, thereafter passed about English clubs for 3.5years and now only what six months into a two year deal, getting farmed out again? and even then , more likely to choose a reunion with Butcher at Hibs would he not? could he be another Irish lad that only Butcher can get the best out of? hope Ive not cursed us

the only games I'm really up for are when we play a team a little bit different from the norm SPL-SPFL whatever they care to call it , has all but killed off my passion for the games, sure I still go along, but more as a chore for the last few years, I still enjoy many of the games but I'm very rarely 'up for it' but Scottish Cup games against more random opponents and the hugely desirable European games against any level of opponents and that's a different story, sadly the management don't always seem to follow that train of thought. Closest domestic league game though would probably have been Thistle at Firhill but other League opponents, Ive seen Motherwell v St Mirren around 20 times in the last 6 years, and we've not even been in the same split of the league, fair play for anyone that can still get enthused in advance for those games

Going to be a frustrating afternoon by the sounds of it, Seems a ridiculous defensive setup in the face of the free scoring champions a measure of our small budget and squad, or McCalls refusal to play reserve squad players we'll not really know I hope like St Mirren and Partick where we had similar stupid defence positioning choices, the attacking threat can lift us out of the mire. its his choice and works out more than not, so he keeps more praise over the minor criticism, but Hammy at RB in a defensive role hasn't worked before, lets hope his ability to deliver crosses, bails us out. we'll get chances, just wonder if we'll score more than they do?

For a game that turned into a bit of a slog , I felt we had a few good performers today Vigurs, who I can be critical of for attitude, looked interested today again and delivered many fine passes Lasley and Carswell, worked very hard in midfield, Stuart in particular with a few critical blocks and tackles Ainsworth, had a slow start, but got going and created most of our chances for himself or others, was surprised to see him hooked but MOTM, Shaun Hutchinson, immense, and solid taking some hefty challenges and getting up and on with it, even found himself with a near miss on goal

turned into a bit of a slog could have been three or four up quite easily Ainsworth looking the liveliest and most likely to unlock them after a slow start But big Hutchinson was immense, fully deserving of any move up that he achieves , maybe more of his new fans will get his name correct