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That is what is propoased by the society, as that is the feedback they have from fans who would like to join but have not got a lump sum or the intent to pay over the currently advertised 4 payments and likewise from those that want to step up a membership level. no up front cost other than maybe, the first months payment. longer term contributions then at some point, where an agreed amount has been reached you become a full member at whatever level. I should point out that if someone wants to join, but its purely down to a lower monthly payment required, the Society have for some time been encouraging people to contact them or Alison Wallace and terms may be able to be agreed to suit both parties

Just for Clarity David, the change to Direct debit is for all payments, but those payments quoted are purely for ongoing contributions after becoming a full member at any level. to join as a steel member you would still have to contribute £300, just that it would now be spread over a longer term monthly contributions, I suspect, that would be £25 pm over 12 months, perhaps the society would embrace even longer terms? likewise a Claret membership would still be £1000, Amber £5000 etc with opportunity to pay over longer terms, then the payments would drop to those figures you quoted which are a divison of the annual paymetns currently in place. Goggles and Flippers, I cant respond to all the points just now, I wasn't meaning to be condescending , although I do believe if the club board increase out support by 1200 paying punters that contribute significantly, they will have worked some magic. your other points are all worth discussing with the Society, email addresses are on their site under members section. drop them a mail, I think , but, I do not know for sure a lot of the ground work has been done with only approx 60 members a year still joining. there will be plenty views on this, my only real wish on any change is that additional money I put into the society, contributes towards me moving up the membership levels. on my choice not to pay annual subs, the club get quite a bit of my income,like they do from many others, I dont believe paying them society funds to host bebenfits that I will ever claim on is sensible. Id much rather it goes into the society goal of increased ownership share and providing security fo the club. a choice that every member has EDIT: I see you've clicked that it was different when I was composing post, it is a lot, and thats the crux of the matter , money that needs put into the society the only real return is membership of that society and contributing towards the goal of fan ownership and some security funds for the club.

Is all changed with one of the co-opted society board memebrs having done a lot of work looking into Finanacial services regulations they are now wanting to make payments by monthly ongoing direct debits. I'll leave it to the society to tell members and offer new recruits the details , once its agreed with current members Steelboy, the figure might not be your valuation of the club, but even before a value was placed its the same amount that was talked about to have in reserve for difficult trading periods. the ammount that the society aimed for would be the same either way. as I've said lots of small flaws to iron out, but not many choices for those that want an endless options list.

felxible payments is the most valid point Frazzle, and its exactly what they were talking about, it might need clairified in the detail I think you and I are effectively thinking along the same lines that you pay what you can afford and when you reach a total you gain that membership, be it 6 months or longer like 18-24months or beyond effectivly savings for membership with funds into the society right away. Steelboy, thats the initial impact of changing payment structure in year one, estimates show that cuts it from 2040 to around 2024, the new payments structure would hopefully many more to continue to join over the years 10 years was my number, on one years improvements, with no continued membership growth, the goal of course is to continue growing membership and importantly ongoing contributions continue to grow the societies capital achieving fan ownership is a primary goal, but getting the funds to do it comes first, at times you dont seem to approve of anything Motherwell related. your choice, start another thread with your blueprint for survival and success

some numbers have been put to what other clubs have done: they fans, have stood up in the most dire of situations, I was disappointed the St-Mirren 10,000hrs model wasn't available, they pledged enough in monthly payments, to buy the club outright, before it was pulled from them. It's not for everyone off course, but the fact you spend the time on here and around the club, I'd say you were pretty committed, it surprises me that some still think , I'll not bother because of some flaws, everything about Scottish football has flaws, I'm keen that when things improve, I want MFC to be standing waiting but your point on £1.5 million from 3000 fans, your right it'll be tough, but any amount raised effectively is the clubs security net for tough times the switch to , longer term payment for membership say £25pm for a steel membership might bring another 600 members, £180k, so grows capital to around £600k that year, and at £4.17 pm thereafter would bring in around £6k a month if all contributed. add in 100 Claret members another £100k, and you have £700k, but importantly £7000 a month going to the right place, might be achievable in ten years? (EDIT ten years was my guesstimate, the club security fund, would be substantial long before that, if members continues to join, that estimate comes down with every contribution) I only see that as a benefit over the current plan, so I'm for it, if they can get the message out

I might have been sitting right next to you, but I struggle to understand how some key points can be lost between two members at the same meeting. I took notes through the first hour or so, and was just typing them up to share with the Steelmenonline society membership contributors, when you posted. I'm going to add some comments to your post, as what I took from the meeting, not as criticism of yourself but to show that whilst some points were taken similarly other were quite different, a measure of those talking or listening, I don't know? perhaps its just a reflection of how many times any individual sits through the meetings

numbers/accounts for last year presented and off the record non-audited numbers for this year presented Extensive list of what has been done in the year since Society board was elected and a review of what the situation at present is, and then an option to change the payments terms of membership recommended then agreement to reconsider a third option over a time limited period before the board then discussing the options with the wider membership, to choose path forward. my own opinion now: its clear that far too many of our support do not realise the critical situation at our club moving forward

and feed the trolls ?

Tonight at 7pm in the Cooper suite

eh no, I'm saying Id rather not have police and stewards piling into supports, as almost every week similar incidents occur, at grounds around the country, and we all know that, direct action by police, will lead to the smaller supports getting hit more often, and clubs getting billed when there is no real requirement for police in grounds. Im happy that the main culprits will get their dues, and that our club handled it correctly. to manage the impact on us, I don't really care what stewards or police could've done if the club doesn't want any action hopefully it puts an end to Friday night football, been a while since our directors were out lauding it as the next saviour plan Ps I also find it laughable that so many that praise our bois are so outraged by some of the minor offences such as standing and wandering into walkways and not taking assigned seats etc boooo, the sellik fans done it, call in the death squad, bollox if we want relaxed stewarding it goes for all, a group about double our support at Hamilton done about double the damage, pipe down, hopefully the idiots that smashed seats get their comeuppance, and Ive said before outside the ground should be dealt with

there was Fire in the Stand on Friday night, real flames and everything. previously some overheated switchgear/capacitors, led to some smoke which forced the shutdown of floodlights which led to a match abandonment no fire, nothing used to extinguish the invisible fire, just smoke and a story to justify abandoning a match. no need for the tabloid style sensationalism to jazz it up, Celtic ?Ultras? trashed the joint, their name is mud, their clubs own fans have turned on them, their club might actually do something about it now, policescotland will now have more justification to continue chapping doors in a safe controlled manner, stewards live on, to earn £30 quid or so another day, the match got finished and we don't have to suffer it again many wanting police to wade in, think about what your asking for, think how that affects our club, our leagues image on live TV and the costs forced on us to host all matches in the future, think about how it affects our traveling fans, like just the week before if that were a current tactic of Police Scotland it would have got quite messy, anything outside the ground should've been dealt with a civil disorder, hopefuly it will have. the Police were embarrassed by the events at Green street, no doubt it'll have been washed under the carpet as our clubs and well societys investigation will come to nothing. but you could see they employed different tactics the weeks after, but hey most of our fans want that tactic to be employed now,

pish

Sensationalist pish, no match has been abandoned for a fire in that stand

fucking moronic comment have you ever smashed a seat or a sign inside a football ground?

you've given me hope as I'm pretty sure you posted an almost identical moan last season about a run of home form

a fitness coach

actually not too bothered about losing to them, done well first half hour to hold them considering the gulf Really annoyed at the half hearted effort by a couple of players, when the quality is not there all we have is effort and too many are not putting it in whilst on the park. then there is the complete lack of structure and position at times, baffling, looks like they just are not drilling in the basics hope Nielsen isn't hurt bad East Stand group were outstanding

just watched this weeks pre match pressers, on facebook, and when they finish the link loops back automatically to last weeks pre-match press brief I've just about kept a lid on it all week, but that just pissed me right off #professional approach, just a fuckin soundbite obviously, how does that leave us, going forward? Was just about over Ibrox, when he abandoned the Euro-tie at Halftime and wasted the experience, St Johnstone was pathetic, could live with Aberdeen, but messing about in the most important game of the season, not even watching them, not starting strong then resting players, not even filling the bench? LD should be kicking his arse and he should be publicly acknowledging his part in the shambles, not be-moaning the lack of quality, Saturday was all about attitude and he set the tone

bring almost anything back for next season and get rid of the black training top that the players lounge about in when the games start

the first instance the temporary transfer has to run until the first day of the following registration period, rule 80 then allows: Division one, when mentioned in the SPFL rules is the top division or premiership

that holds the club administrators up in a shining light if true, not as if Scottish cup weekend was a surprise date in the calendar Even if no intention to use them, they should have been listed and pitch side in case they were needed, its an aside as you say but a real reflection of of how unprofessional or indeed arrogant we were terrible blow for him if it goes that way, and just another blow when the club is at a real low ebb

either then or a few weeks later , writing off the European tie and not even trying to win the game, gave the message that we don't need to fight and play as a team. we've been dealt some tough hands this season, but McCall and Black have not impressed at all, when dealing with it, but more worrying is the self inflicted damage with squad rotation and crazy positional selections. Ive said it all along, any player should have to play to claim a squad place, if your injured or tired or suspended you lose your place, if whoever steps in does as good a job they keep the place. McCall every season has been guilty of trying to shoehorn his favourites in over others who performed well, its worked for him as we've had better and fitter players who stepped back in, this season, his choices , have left all wondering , what the first team really is? and what the stand ins have to do to keep their place. yesterdays selection should have been good enough, if they were keen and motivated, but not having the players ready from the bench is an insult to the paying punters and the players left out. Un-professional? no, probably worse, just lazy , with a poor attitude and under prepared. EDIT: and this is so true it hurts,

Probably put us in to a very bad result for the financial year, Likely call on Well Society funds that are depleting with out enough replenishment Cash loss in European football, horsed out the league cup with almost no cash income, horsed out Scottish cup, likely fine or damage costs, loss of key commercial income in run up to festive season. I'd say this result is pivotal to putting us back a year or two in real terms

Wow, this one should get an award

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