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10 hours ago, Kmcalpin said:
The Rancid is reporting that SK is trying to fix up Georgie Gent and Jack Vale for next season. I hope he can pull that off ,but fear its a pipedream. .
The Rancid put out a report today that mentioned Rangers had already beaten Dundee and taken three points from Dens Park "last night."
The fact they don't even seem to know what day it is makes me question anything they have to say regarding us.
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1 hour ago, grizzlyg said:
There will be folk who will never be convinced but I really like the guy.
It's worth remembering that certain people who will remain nameless have been greetin' about every manager we've had for years now. Those same people were moaning about Robinson, Alexander, McGhee, Baraclough, McCall, and on and on.
And if and when Kettlewell moves on, they'll do the same about the next guy. Some folk just get a kick out of being negative.
I personally think he's a very good coach for us. Sure, there are better ones out there, but we're Motherwell. I'm not sure many better managers would be throwing people out of the way to get to Fir Park and work with our budget.
If we make the top six this season, considering the squad we have? I'd say that's pretty astounding. It won't stop some people from focusing on the teams who didn't make the top six, though, and saying that it wasn't because of us being decent.
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38 minutes ago, stv said:
If it was easy everyone would be doing it no just like us typing opinions with no consequences.
Its up to him to sort out the first half performance thats our obvious weak spot. What your using as , reasons , applies to all the other teams in the leauge as well.Would be interesting to see thetimes this season we started the second half at least goal down or not in the lead . Its glaringly obvious he has to do something to improve the first half performances. Maybe hes still learning but i still think its overthinking tactics and what opposition will do before a ball is kicked.
Of course it's up to him to sort out how we start games. But that doesn't mean that the reasons I provided are any less valid, and yes, other teams in the league do face the same issues.
We'll start some games well, and we'll start some games badly. Like most other teams in our league. We're a small club with a small budget, and the players we sign will very likely be inconsistent, which is why they're playing for Motherwell and not a bigger club.
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54 minutes ago, stv said:
Over the season his starting tactics have generally been crap. How many time do we loose the first goal and are shite in the first half. But fair play to him he has changed a lot of games by tactical switches but thats usually when hes seen the game pan out and when we are down by a goal or two. Think how well we would be doing if he could manage the first half of a game better. Hence so many draws.
How about giving the halftime talk before kickoff.
If only it were that simple, eh?
The current manager has probably had to work with one of the smallest playing budgets our club has had in recent times. That's clearly reflected in the players we have.
There are a lot of reasons why we don't start some games all that well. Factors such as early goals, injuries, or unexpected opposition tactics all necessitate on-the-fly adaptations by the manager. That applies to all managers of all teams, of course. There are times when we start a game really well, and it's then on the opposition coaching team to work out a way to combat that. I mean, generally, one of the two teams in any game has to start off as the better side. So there's a 50/50 chance it will be us.
Many people seem to overlook the fact that the opposition's response adds another layer of complexity. We don't operate in a vacuum. It's not just about what we do. The opposition plays a part in the game as well. They may make tactical changes during the game, requiring the manager to react accordingly, which Kettlewell has shown on a few occasions he's more than capable of doing.
How many fans of clubs do you hear moaning about no "plan B"? Well, that's not really a problem for us, as Kettlewell has shown he has the ability to read and react to a number of circumstances, which considering the quality and budget he has available, is admirable on its own.
I'd go as far as to say that a top six finish with the current squad we have would be nothing short of astounding.
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49 minutes ago, wellup83 said:
It tells me that the squad isn't strong enough. We lose a couple of players to injury and we can't play football.
With our budget, that shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. We can't really afford to have quality in depth, and like many others in the league, we just need to work with what we have.
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5 hours ago, SteelmaninOZ said:
And just to keep SPFL sweet Motherwell to play in our away kit and Dundee in their home kit……
Not so sure that's anything to do with the SPFL. I'm sure we're contracted to wear the various kits we have a certain number of times per season, no?
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15 minutes ago, stv said:
Exactly, over thinks how to start a game, usually negatively. Then reacts well once hes seen the opposition play. Not a very good combination hes got to improve on this over thinking stuff during the week n play to our strengths.
Or, just hear me out here...
He puts out the best available players we have, and on occasion, we look like the better team against the opposition, but on other occasions, the opposition looks better than us, and Kettlewell makes some tactical changes as well as personnel changes and uses his know-how to change the game in our favour?
I know that's mental, as that would actually involve giving the guy some form of credit for doing his job, but could it possibly be the answer? Could he have "out-coached" the opposition?
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1 hour ago, Tamwell said:
I’m quite concerned by how many fans think the fan owned model isn’t working. Please do your due diligence, we’re in a decent position right now.
For many fans, the sign that it isn't working is that we got outbid by Kilmarnock for Van Veen in January.
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1 minute ago, fizoxy said:
Hopefully things will be clearer when the Well Society complete their governance work stream, but some folk could do with learning what boards, executives, and shareholders do in general.
I'm not really sure it's on fans to learn what boards, executives, and shareholders do, though. It's on the club and our representatives to convey the required information clearly and in a way that can be understood by the wider fanbase.
As you say, the Society has certainly grabbed the bull by the horns when it comes to the way they want to do things moving forward, so let's hope that a lot of what people on this forum and elsewhere are asking gets answered over the coming weeks and months.
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7 hours ago, wellup83 said:
Add neither should they be.
No, they most definitely should be involved in the discussions and proceedings. As majority shareholders, that should be a given.
7 hours ago, wellup83 said:Fan owned or not, divulging potentially sensitive information to the Society would be making details of the negotiations public knowledge basically.
There's a difference between the elected representatives of the Society board being involved in proceedings and any information being divulged to the wider membership base.
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4 hours ago, wellfan said:
My view is that we should've learned the lesson during the Hammell debacle that promoting from within may be the cheap option in the short term but is likely to be more costly in the long term in terms of poor performances and the lost revenue that can lead to, and the potential gardening leave when it goes wrong.
Is it really "promoting from within" when the guy had been at the club for four months? Would you have felt better about the appointment of Kettlewell had he been appointed as manager but hadn't taken the lead development coach position a few months earlier?
Also, is it really the cheap option? I don't see how that would be the case.
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1 hour ago, wellgirl said:
Either people have the right to say what they want on here or they don't.
They don't have the right to say what they want on here.
This isn't a democratically run public park where everyone has a right to be. It's a website run and owned by certain individuals.
1 hour ago, wellgirl said:Calling posters out as a mod is a really bad look as far as I'm concerned.
He's not a mod. He's an admin. There's a big difference. I'm a mod, which means I give up a little of my free time to help out where I can in running the forum, but what an admin is responsible for requires a whole lot more involvement.
The truth is, as harsh as it sounds, he can call out whoever he likes. He doesn't, though, unless there's a reason for it. This forum is pretty relaxed when it comes to rules and how people are treated, with a lot of leeway given. That approach comes from the top down.
I know that you personally have had some issues with how this forum is run and the leeway I mentioned, which the moderating team didn't agree with you on.
It's a football forum. For the most part, the mod team lets stuff slide because football is a passionate subject, and people get heated, particularly after games when the result hasn't gone our way. I think, by and large, we do quite a good job in that regard.
Basically, we are a small team, but we've done okay the past few years, I think. But it's important to remember that being allowed to post here isn't a right. The admins in charge make the rules, and the mods help keep things flowing as best we can. People can choose to either stick around and follow the rules set by the admin team or not.
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16 hours ago, smiddy said:
i also seen billy davies in the crowd at dens park last week , his nottingham forrest gardening leave must be finished
It'll be ten years next week.
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2 hours ago, MJC said:
Yes if you want.
I'll have a look later. There's a few of them from yesterday reassuring Rangers fans that they'd do their best to peg back Celtic for them and so on. The actual accounts are all pretty similar in the pish they post on the regular.
2 hours ago, MJC said:I would have to disagree though that they have a leaning in one particular direction. Most Hearts fans I know, in fact, ANY Hearts fan that I’ve ever known has only ever had a leaning towards Hearts and no one else. I’ve said this before on these forums, Hearts fans support their club through thick and thin and tend not to care what any one else thinks of them.
I know you have a weird hard-on for Hearts, so I'm wary of going down this rabbit hole too much with you, but as another poster mentioned, there are definitely shades of the Celtic/Rangers bigotry aspect when you look at Hearts and Hibs, so it's perfectly natural that an element of Hearts fans would look up to their "big brothers" in Glasgow.
And it's not just Hearts. Hibs are just as bad. It's quite pathetic, really.
It reminds me a little of how Rangers fans view Chelsea.
Anyway, we won. That's the main thing. I couldn't actually care less who won between Hearts and Celtic. Unless we're chasing Hearts for third place, their results have little bearing on me. Neither does who wins the title. I have good mates on both sides of the divide, so whoever wins, I know I'm guaranteed a few free beers when they're out pissed up and celebrating on that weekend.
Of course, this result over the weekend will be tainted somewhat if we don't keep this form up into the next few games.
We have a real chance of snatching a late top six finish if we play our cards right.
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7 minutes ago, MJC said:
Do you have any evidence of Hearts fans posting stuff like that?
I’m not being awkward or argumentative btw, it’s a genuine question.
I can’t speak for anyone else but any Hearts fan I’ve ever known has only ever been interested in what is best for their club and they certainly don’t have any preference or leaning towards either OF club.
I can look for it again on X if you like? I saw it there.
As for Hearts fans not having any leaning towards either OF club? I think we both know that's nonsense. I'm not saying that they outright support one club or the other, but I think it's been clear over the years that they definitely have a leaning in one particular direction.
An example of that would be their fans singing the Billy Boys. I know a few sensible Hearts fans myself, and they're thoroughly embarrassed by that quite sizeable element in their support.
Again, I'm glad we don't have that side to our support. While some of our fans will no doubt have personal preferences on which of the old firm clubs they'd prefer to see win their games, maybe due to having family who support them or whatever, it doesn't leak out into how we actually support Motherwell, which is a good thing.
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1 hour ago, MJC said:
And Celtic bottle it against Hearts at Tynecastle. Could this weekend get any better?
As the Tynecastle sound system is now blaring out
#Oh, ho, ho it’s Magic
You know oh ho#
Get it right up them, their odious fans and that prick Rodgers.
Although I've seen some right cringeworthy stuff from Hearts fans in the lead up to that game, posting stuff like "Don't worry Rangers, we have you covered tomorrow"
Talk about bending the knee to their big club? Jesus. I'm glad we tend to have more fans that are happy to see both cheeks get done over.
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2 minutes ago, Wee Dougie said:
Appreciate what your saying David, but the man has had a hard on for doom and gloom all season. As stated I had read a lot of posts before joining and appreciate thst people are entitled to their opinion, but christ every week predicting doom and gloom, be it the manager, players or whatever, gets right on yir mamaries. I am not party to what you say to him privately, but by god publicity, he appears to have a free rain to diss anything MFC, every day every post. If you think that's correct, well, that's your opinion.,but mines is, FFs, give us a bit of encouragement from your posts. End of rant. COYW.
You have the option to put him on ignore if you so wish. If not, then leave him be. If he oversteps the line the admin will deal with him.
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4 hours ago, Wee Dougie said:
Does this man have no shame, gloats at every defeat, predicted one here, even at half time and then has the temerity, to come on and declare his love for all things Claret and Amber, I just don't know how he has the neck to do it.
Honestly mate, you've had a hard-on for MJC since you got here.
Enough is enough. Cut it out, or we'll need to look at moderating your posts.
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A game at Livingston on that monstrosity of a pitch? A draw will do for me. Obviously, I'd rather have a win, but this certainly isn't a "must-win" by any account.
It's a must-win game for them, not us.
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On 2/26/2024 at 12:43 PM, El Grew said:
Lennon Miller is just 17 and looks as though he has a very good career in front of him.
However, media hacks and pundits suggesting that the OF clubs should think about signing him is disgraceful. The same clowns always bemoan how uncompetitive the league is yet as soon as any decent players appear on the scene at other clubs they start touting them.
I just hope him and his dad don’t get carried away only to have his career ruined like many others before him. If he keeps progressing he can set his sights much higher than Ibrox or Parkhead.
The media especially has a job to do, and that job is generating clicks on their articles. Among the top keywords for sport in Scotland are Celtic and Rangers, so any news they can shoehorn those clubs into, they will.
I wouldn't read too much into it. Quite literally!
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4 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said:
You missed my point entirely.
Maybe I should have posted "If I were to agree with MJC"..........
Instead of "I agree with MJC..."?
Yeah, probably.
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4 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said:
Do you know if I was a young man id say no too. However I'm at a stage in my life where there's less ahead than there is behind and I'd fed up with the struggle just keeping our heads above water. The possibility of a few seasons before I croak it where where had genuine excitement and even the slightest possibility of I cup I think I'd go for it. Selfish ? Yeah, but after putting money in for 46 years I'm fed up with the piss poor level of expectation.
I'm not that young either, but I'd also like to think we're leaving behind a solid community club for our children and their children.
Football, for the most part, has become the game of the rich and wealthy. Bought up by millionaires, billionaires, and oil-rich nations. With very few exceptions, that is all that football fans of a certain age know. They buy their overpriced English Premiership jersey of choice, pay to have their favourite multi-millionaire mercenary's name added to the back of it, and watch their team on their large 4K telly in surround sound.
Motherwell and clubs like us are different. When I go to a game with a young family member, their heroes can be accosted outside Fir Park for a photo, autograph, and a chat.
Our young fans don't need to be happy with briefly seeing their favourite player walk past, head down and headphones on, behind a wall of security as they head into the stadium.
Our younger generation can sit in the season ticket seat that our father or grandfather once sat in. For the most part, they can rest assured that they won't be priced out of that, to be replaced with some foreigner who's here on a "football holiday" wearing a half-and-half scarf and paying over the odds to some company that snaps up seats by the tens or hundreds to sell in packages.
I like who we are as a club. I like that we employ financial responsibility and don't rely on money from elsewhere. I also like that we are very much community-based. I know that angle gets a lot of slating on here, but I like that our social media account bears the tagline that we exist to improve people's lives.
If football doesn't exist to provide value and enjoyment and to improve the lives of those who follow it, then what's the point? To fill the coffers of the wealthy owners? To sell jerseys?
We'd all love to win a cup, but I'd honestly much rather we had a fan-owned club that we could be proud of, and that will be there for future generations in a stadium that holds a lot of family memories than anything else.
If our fanbase can only afford to support a club that ends up playing in the Championship or even lower, then so be it. I'll still be there, hoping to win the next game and pouring over the stats of our next unknown signing before writing them off and then being proved beautifully wrong as they defy the odds and come good.
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5 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said:
To answer a few, I'm not asking if it's feasible, I'm asking if the offer was there for substantial investment but a condition was fan ownership being given up how many of you would say yes.
It would be a no from me.
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11 hours ago, joewarkfanclub said:
If you dont dare to dream then you are always going to be stuck in a self fulfilling prophecy.
I agree with MJC that the club, manager and players need to change their mentality if they are to reverse the trend of our results against the big two.
You wont ever win a game if you dont think you can.
However, that also applies to us as fans.....
You think the players go out there under the belief that they can't win? I don't agree.
Most professionals who make it to a level of the sport where they're actually being paid quite well and make a full-time living from the game are rarely the type to be mentally weak. You don't get to even this level of the game without believing you are one of the best out there.
Why do you think we see our players consistently leaving for bigger clubs despite the general belief being that they won't get any game time? Sure, the money helps, but I think you'd be hard-pressed to find any professional-level footballer who doesn't believe he can reach the heights if only he was given a chance.
Belief that they can get a result isn't the issue. The issue is that we don't have the actual quality in our team to do it for the most part. Mentality and belief can only go so far.
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2024/25 Ins & Outs Discussion
in Club Chat
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I remember the Record back in the day when, even if I didn't agree with what they posted, they had actual journalists writing the content and reporting the stories.
It's a shadow of the publication it once was.