David
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29 minutes ago, Yassin said:
Like Stephen O'Donnell?
You telling me you think Forrest has a chance of making the Scotland team by coming to Motherwell? Or any other Scottish club for that matter?
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4 minutes ago, gaz7 said:
I'd really like this to happen also. His professionalism , knows how to win and better than any of our attacking players makes it a no brainer if it was at all possible. He maybe thinks he can make euros squad.
If he knows anything about Steve Clarke and the criteria he has for picking players, he'd be asking his agent to find him a move to an English Championship team then.
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1 minute ago, mio said:
Makes us selling him at that price a really good move. There’s no doubt he has ability but he is a big huffy sod and can be a bit unreliable. I wish him well and I’d have taken him back on loan but buying him again or any club buying him at his age is a big risk. Good luck to him.
Not only that, but he signed a deal with them until 2026. There's no way we can match the salary he's getting there, so if he's leaving permanently then he'll surely be looking for more than we can give him?
A loan would be different, of course, because he'd still be getting the salary he agreed with Groningen, with us contributing.
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19 minutes ago, MJC said:
Jack Vale confirmed. A forward, which we need but his goal scoring record is unimpressive, to say the very least.
It's worth bearing in mind that if his goalscoring record was impressive, we'd be nowhere near him.
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4 minutes ago, MJC said:
Its uninspiring and to be honest I would have kept Wilkinson rather than sign this player but it is what it is and he’ll get my support.
I could be wrong, but didn't Wilkinson want away? It's not quite the case that we moved him on entirely of our own choice, is it?
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22 minutes ago, dennyc said:
Maybe Foley just likes using his loose change to see what results he can achieve. Who knows?
That last sentence sums up why I'm not too fond of that kind of situation. No one actually knows. Clubs in Scotland, like Dundee United, have shown they are happy to get a few dollars thrown at them. Taking the money and asking questions later seems to be the order of the day.
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2 minutes ago, dennyc said:
Fair comment I guess. But Foley and his Group do not appear to be fly by nights investing on a whim. And they don't appear (to my amateur eye) to be fleecing Clubs as per the Glaziers at Man Utd. With safeguards in place I think it is a great opportunity for Hibs. With old man Gordon popping his clogs and with his family perhaps less committed they were at a crossroads. But I agree they need to be careful as well as open minded.
Foley has stuck with the Organisations he has invested in and eventually brought them success and gradual improvement. Even his first venture, the Ice Hockey team did the impossible and won the Stanley Cup. He is still involved and committed by all accounts. That augers well for his other involvements.
I'm certainly not saying he's shifty or has ulterior motives, but again, guys like him don't make their fortune by throwing it away on silly projects.
His Vegas ice hockey team winning the Stanley Cup wasn't really "the impossible." The way US sports are set up, many teams have a good chance of winning their major trophy, especially if they can get into the playoffs and so on.
Plus, the Knights are running at $200 million in annual revenue, which is a profit of just over $50 million. Plus, there's a lot to be gained from owning an NHL franchise. His aim of buying into that exclusive group makes perfect sense.
A Scottish football club, though? I don't see him winning any titles any time soon, and the avenues for generating real funds aren't really there in our game.
This suggests to me that the positives and gains to be made by him aren't entirely financial. He's also not for telling either.
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38 minutes ago, texanwellfan said:
Lucas Ross is a goal about every 5 minutes. Why don’t we try him?
Considering that even if we sign Brophy and A.N Other we'd have three fit strikers available. There's a good chance that youth will get a look in.
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22 minutes ago, dennyc said:
What is Foley's track record? I've not been aware of anything of concern from the various organisations he has bought into. Football or otherwise. Or that he is into asset stripping or lining his pockets at the expense of an Organisation. Scotland has had its home grown share of those in the past and he does not fit that pattern. .
The fact his Group has interests in numerous Clubs worldwide sets them apart from any Group with one established Club looking for a wee feeder Club. And with their money, why would they need a feeder Club? He could just buy who he wants.
I understand your suspicion and caution. But I really don't see what the issue is in this case. Time will tell if it works out but I think it is interesting and exciting times ahead for Hibs. Certainly on a more stable basis than when Boyle decided we could take on the big boys.
Again, what does he get out of this? That's all I want to know. Why doesn't he lay out exactly what he gets from this? Beyond the warm fuzzies of being a good egg and all that, of course.
18 minutes ago, Stuwell2 said:On the main point of the - potential - future of the club, yes there seems to be benefits in some sort of tie in with others and at this moment in time there appears to be decent protection against investors screwing clubs but that can change and is possibly why people are investing so I’m nervous about that.
Having said that the potential downside that we could be left dropping further behind our competitors and those below us leaving us a championship team or worse means that I think we must seriously look at the options before ruling them out.Again, the same question applies here. If, in theory, a bigger club wants to "affiliate" with a club like ours, the question is why? They obviously don't need us, so why are they doing it?
And it's not so much getting screwed over that doesn't sit right with me. It's the fact that such relationships often change the club at its very core.
It's extremely rare that extremely wealthy people or organisations part with their money without wanting something in return. If they were the type of people to do that, they wouldn't be where they are in life.
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2 hours ago, gaz7 said:
personal opinion i cant see any downside of a tie up with some big gun.
It depends on what you mean by a "big gun."
An individual with money? Someone like Bill Foley, who fancies losing a few million for a laugh by "investing" in a Scottish football team?
Or the ownership group of an already established English club that sees us as a feeder or "B team" of sorts?
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1 hour ago, dennyc said:
Given the terms of the Hibs deal, Foley purchases a minority share holding of under 30%. And has no direct control over football matters. The Board continues to run the show as happens everywhere. Again Foley is a minority. The deal must also to meet UEFA criteria re multi ownership. I have heard no suggestion that Foley is even seeking Security of Easter Road or other Hibs Assets although that could be a condition that would concern fans. .
In return Hibs are getting £6m up front to be spent on facilities, youth development and transfers. With more funds to come for next season.
It's very clear what Hibs would be getting.
What I'm wondering is, what exactly is Foley getting? From what I see, he's putting in some money to have no direct control over football matters. The board wouldn't change, and he gets no security of Hibs's assets.
Guys like him don't spend their money for a laugh, despite what he claims. There's more to this, long-term, than what's being let on to the regular punter.
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14 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said:
Aye, and thats changing too. The days of cuddly wee junior clubs are well and truly over. Kelty Hearts and Bonnyrigg Rose anyone? Even the junior game has become much more professional and ruthless. Many of those teams are living well beyong their means.
Just more news to depress me with, eh? 😂
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17 hours ago, Yoshi-1991 said:
Its quite mad that not only is he getting away with that stat, but there's folk that actually think it's OK. Feels like an episode of the twilight zone.
The only stats that matter are those that show we've won four, and drawn nine in 22 games, and sit 9th in the table.
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14 minutes ago, steelboy said:
There's talk of Eamon Brophy now. Embarrassing.
If I told you we were going to bring in a striker this window who was 27 years old and had scored over 50 goals in our top flight, you'd think that was a signing we didn't want or need?
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17 hours ago, ForthThistle said:
I’ve literally got the fear.
The boy from st Mirren. Is that all we can muster in the time all other strikers are gone.
miss management is an understatement.
A few things on Stav Nahmani as a potential target.
First of all, he's only just turned 21 years old. He's still young in football terms, so he's still improving.
He's also not had much of a chance at St Mirren. He's only started two games or something like that. Also, how St Mirren play and how they utilise their strikers may differ from how we do.
Also, we can only afford what we can afford. Finances and availability within the market during this window is a huge factor.
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20 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said:
But, what is the alternative?
Honestly, I'd rather we continued to operate within our means. And if that involved a drop down to the Championship or even lower, then so be it.
I'd rather watch a fan-owned Motherwell Football Club play in the Championship with the best players we can afford and a healthy smattering of youth in our ranks, than some 2nd-rate, oil-backed English teams reserve outfit plying our trade in a weird frankenstein league.
But that's just me. Maybe the majority would be happy to go along with it, in the hopes of a few of the oil dollars rolling off the big table and into our hands.
I'd likely pack it in and follow junior football at that point.
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13 hours ago, wellgirl said:
What exactly does that mean .. being a B Team? Does it mean them getting our youth players?
I imagine it would mean we'd get access to more Mika Biereth's. But it also means we'd have more players taken away at the drop of a hat, just like Mika Biereth.
The truth is, at that point, you need to ask if we're really still Motherwell FC? Or just QPR B, or Sheffield United B? If it did happen, it's likely the closest I'd actually come to just chucking it altogether and following rugby instead.
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1 hour ago, FirParkCornerExile said:
PCA should not allowed to be made public
We live in an age where people seemingly know the age and schooling plans of players kids. You think a PCA has any chance of being kept quiet?
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6 minutes ago, Stevie73 said:
Surely Spital not going to St Midden in the summer, club needs to really look at themselves if this is true.
It's not that much of a stretch. They're similar to us as far as league and cup ambition goes, and can reportedly offer more money. Plus, it wouldn't require the player to uproot his family or take kids out of school.
It's a no-brainer.
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18 hours ago, stv said:
Will you also admit that the manager can see things in a player you can’t ?
I would admit that if I'd ever claimed it, but I haven't. In fact, when fans on this forum slate the manager, I often say there's a reason he's being paid to do the job he's doing while we're all discussing it on an internet forum.
If you're looking for people to admit to what you're asking there, I think there's probably more than me you need to ask.
Like most fans, I'll give my opinion on things, but I've never claimed to know better than any manager we've had.
It should also be said though, that one signing that has come good in Bair isn't a vindication of our transfer business and approach to it as a whole. There will always be outliers and surprises that pop up, but for every Bair there's an Obika, Souaré and Shaw.
It could still be argued that one of the reasons Bair looks like such a decent signing is because the overall bar set by the recruitment team and our playing squad this season has been set so low.
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So, after this weekend I have to say that I've officially been won over by Theo Bair.
As most of you know, I had very little hope of seeing him be a success at Motherwell, despite really hoping he would be. He's worked hard and has proved his doubters, including me, wrong. And I've never been happier to be wrong. We all love a "lad comes good" story, and this is one of them.
Let's hope it continues for him and he can even hit double figures!
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2 hours ago, steelboy said:
What are you basing this on?
He's barely kicked a ball other than against bottom six teams in the past 18 months.
As much as it pains me to say it, he's worked daily with the likes of Brendan Rodgers and Ange Postecoglou. He's spent his time there training with a much higher quality of player than you'd find at Fir Park, and Norwich City as well.
He's also spent his time there getting accustomed to life and how to deal with living as a player at a big club. At Norwich, he could have been wandering the city without many people bothering him. Not the case at Celtic, and it won't be the case if he ends up at a club like AC Milan or whoever picks him up this summer.
Yeah, he's always going to be a talent. That doesn't go away. He was talented when he left Motherwell. Add in the above and he leaves Celtic as a better player than he was when he arrived there.
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4 hours ago, MelvinBragg said:
I'm assuming he'll move abroad. Having seen what it's done for Ferguson, Hickey and young English talent, he probably should. He probably should have done before moving to Celtic but hindsight is a wonderful thing...
I'm not so sure he was mentally ready to move overseas. I wasn't even that sure he was mentally ready to move down south to be honest, so I think Celtic has been a relatively decent move for him financially and from the perspective of getting used to dealing with being at a big club with a lot of fan pressure and so on.
Wherever he goes, he certainly goes there as a better player than he was when he arrived at Celtic.
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On 1/21/2024 at 7:29 PM, steelboy said:
Now he's 24 and he's lucky if he'll get a move to Norwich.
Considering the clubs sniffing about him just now I'd think moving to a midtable English Championship side would be the last thing on his mind.
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Aren't St Mirren fan-owned? Just like us? Where are they getting the money?