mon_da_well
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Sell now = balance the books
Keep 'til the summer = balance the league table
I know what I'd rather have.
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Nothing about mon_da_well for chairman...?
Very good idea to put up a summary of the meetings, makes people actually realise you guys are taking the time to do this.
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I'd rather have a proven goal scorer for another 6 months than 150k now.
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And unless it's about 600k, in cash, in small notes, then they'll be told to officially feck aff. Very true! Anywhere above 600 or 700k then aye, nae bother! Any less then I'm happy for him to leave in the summer after seeing out the contract he said he would.
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Very true Andy. The fact I'm driving (or being driven) shows that. We never drive to games!
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Just to summarise, at the meeting tonight I shall raise the following points:
- Merging the share fund into the Pitch In! fund.
- Updating the website with any missing minutes.
- Re-branding the organisation.
- Mon_Da_Well for chairman
Is there any other points anyone feels are significant?
Frazzle
Fixed
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Fuck it, I'll do it
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Are you volunteering for the job? Would hate to think you were all talk and no trousers....
Frazzle
Yes, I am volunteering for the job.
Although I think my opinions of the Trust may hold me back, I am officially volunteering
Is there no one better suited to it already in the Trust? You have to resort to asking me?
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I don't think it would be appropriate for me to comment further on Martins position. However, I do acknowledge that people have the opinion that, given his position on the clubs board, he should not be our chairman. Anyone who has that opinion is perfectly entitled to it, but it's very easy to point to an issue, criticise it and offer no alternative or solution.
There is one issue from the meeting that must be kept under wraps for the timebeing. I realise it's not what anyone wants, but when it does come out, I'm sure the majority of people will understand why that is the case. It would not be helpful to our relationship with the club if we were to publicly post what could be perceived as an attack on said club. Our aim is to assist the club, not cause them problems.
One issue from the meeting that I haven't mentioned (was going to wait to see if it happened first) was the suggestion that, when the Old Firm play at Fir Park and the club continue to allow them access to the Cooper Stand, the away fans are kept in for 15 minutes after the game. Obviously the 'Well fans are very much against them being in the Cooper Stand in the first place, and I believe that part of the reason for this is the feeling of intimidation not only inside the ground, but in the street afterwards, particularly coming out of the East Stand and having their fans at both sides of you. This suggestion was taken on board and I expect it to be implemented. If it is, I would hope it would go a small way towards making the 'Well fans feel safe in and around their own ground and perhaps tempt back a few fans who stay away on such occasions for these reasons.
Frazzle
Change your chairman. Is that a solution?
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Looks a belter! Signed up.
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All the best Kenny, hope ye find a decent club and show just how good you can be.
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I wish the MST the best of luck with their aims for 2009.
Prove me and whoever else wrong and actually do something, that'll go a long way towards changing opinions.
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That answer was just bluster. How can we make it more attractive? If we can, we will!
Frazzle
Well you tell me why I should join the Trust?
What is the Trust aiming to achieve in 2009?
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I've asked you already what you think we should be doing and you've not given me an answer. What 'forward movement' would you need to see from us to make you join?
Also, there is no guarantee that if you join the Trust, we will always agree with your opinions as a movement, but our stance on any number of issues is moulded by our members.
Frazzle
Well for a start you could make the Trust seem a more attractive group for fans to join which would in turn, help you reach your goals. I accept you're trying to do that but how long will that take?
I have came across as I care a lot more than I actually do about this
My main arguement against the Trust is I don't think you guys do enough to justify your existance and I fear I may never be proven wrong. And as the Seagul says, you only have to represent yourselves, so far so good with that.
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Why should the Trust represent the views of non members?
Read the "About Us" section here.
The fact that the Trust has tried on a number of occasions to engage and represent the Support as a whole perhaps deters from the fact that they are only obliged to represent the views of their membership!Again, read the "About Us" section here.
My statement about whether the trust could/should be better is irrelevant stems from the fact that they remain the only fans forum with anything like a critical mass. If you want to be heard you have no alternative other than to be part of it - a single voice will not be heard, and its unlikely that another vehicle representing the fans would get off the ground!Thats not to say that you could not/would not improve the trust by joining.
Why should I or anyone else join the Trust when they don't show any decent forward movement? A single voice won't be heard as you say, but who's to say I or anyone else wouldn't be a single voice within the Trust?
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I realse that it's down to us to attract members, and what I was saying earlier in the thread is that because we try to represent the views of all Motherwell fans, members or not, that a lot of people don't see the benefit in joining. I've already said that one of the aims for this year is to offer members-only incentives, but that's easier said than done.
The reason the Trust want a seat on the board is to have a fans say in the running of the club. Do you not wish that there was a like-minded 'Well fan sitting in the boardroom when the decision was made to hand over the Cooper Stand to the Old Firm? Or when they decided how to distribute tickets for the Nancy game?
Frazzle
Of course, a Trust member on the board would be beneficial for the fans, although to raise any issues like the ones above you don't need a seat on the board.
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The Supporters Trust should be representative of the fans they are representing (obviously) so the fact that the head of the Rangers Supporters Trust comes across as a dobber makes perfect sense to me! :-)
In all seriousness, the Trust want a seat on the board for an elected (by the Trust members) individual. I don't doubt for a second that if we were granted such a position that the membership would probably increase tenfold so that everyone could have their vote or even put themselves forward. However, it is my belief that the board position will not be forthcoming from Mr Boyle until we have sufficient membership numbers to justify it, which is entirely understandable. That's the catch 22 that I keep talking about.
Frazzle
Well it's down to you guys to attract members and you aren't doing a very good job just now!
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Here is the thing...
The Trust remains the only 'voice of the fans' that is anywhere near big enough to make a difference.
If you really want to be heard, or to have things changed at Fir Park, you need to be part of the Trust.
Moaning on these boards (and I am not pointing the finger at anyone in particular here - I have enjoyed my fair share of rants in the past) achieves nothing other than letting steam off.
Whether the trust could/should be better is irrelevant, although it strikes me that it will become more powerful and effective the larger its membership.
That statement is baffling. How can it be irrelevant? The fact that some posters are in the Trust is a positive thing as they can raise these issues on our behalf.
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Don't know if I'll be going to this, gony be a bit of a c**t getting to Dundee on a Sunday I think.
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As Frazzle has said it would be nice to think that people would approach us with their issues , but it doesn't seem like there will be much of that especially from people like yourself who don't believe the Trust has a function.
How do we approach the Trust with a complaint though? I've certainly never been told how to go about that, nor do I know anyone who has. And I would be more than willing to change my opinion and would love to be proved wrong!
We had that previously and, while it's a good idea in theory, in practise it was practically dormant so I asked for it to be removed. That way, any Trust issues that came up were in the Motherwell section and were then viewed by more people, leading to a higher level of interest.With regards to platforms for us to communicate, we have just spent quite a bit of time re-vamping our website, we send newsletters to our members, and we're hoping to have a regular page in the official programme going forward. Obviously, about half the board post on here regularly aswell so from that point of view, I think we're considerably more open and accessible than the club itself (that's not a dig at the club - I know that progress is being made there aswell).
Frazzle
What % of fans is that?
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i don't think you have a suitable platform to reach the fans to properly inform them of what you are doing, this is maybe one of the main reasons for the scepticism?
That's what I was saying. Or trying to. Or forgot to...
Here is a platform, Steelmen online. I'm sure Gaag would set up a subforum where a menber of the Trust could anser questions or deal with complaints or problems. WOuld the Trust be willing to do that?
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I don't agree with that. There are certainly people there who are more than willing to get involved and to try make a difference. As I said in a previous post there certainly has to be more progress and activity by the Trust , but in some cases we are in a no win situation.
For example in your post earlier you questioned our need to be at last weeks meeting , however there you pointed out that we don't do anything. Not saying that attending one meeting represents a worthwhile contribution ,but I reckon it is attending the kind of events that we should be attending.
What I meant was you seemed to jump at the chance of that meeting as it was a chance to look good to the rest of the fans and actually seem like you're doing something. But I think the trust should be doing this kind of thing off their own backs. I mean, a few people who are in the Trust regularly post on here. Therefore, they must have read in the past about fans having problems at Ibrox, Parkhead and more recently Fir Park. Why then, have you not brought these and any other problems up at any Trust meetings? Or do we have to go to you directly to complain?
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Lip69 does make a valid point about the press release. Yes the Trust want to let the actions of the meetings known but is a press release the best way to do it? In a time when sports journos are filling space with transfer rumours, what newspapers exactly will run with the story.
In answer to FrazzaB's post that 9/10 folk don't tell the trust anything - is that not down to the fact that the Trust only represent 1 out of 10 folk (though giving an estimate I believe this will be could be as low as 1 out of 30!). Why the need for fans to go solely through the Trust? Fraz mentioned at the start of his post about the meeting with the Wellboys that everyone was approachable so why can't a fan speak to the right folk if they have an issue?
I speak as an ex-Trust member, I left as I was fed up with the Trust failing to make any worthwhile contribution of note. The Trust have always had board members who I believe have their heart in the right place but are let down by the remaining board members and this is still the case today. It may be harsh but the Trust to me are failing because of their failure in the past to deliver anything of note to the club and its members. Whilst I wish some of the posters on here all the best in their positions with the Trust, they will have to go something to change my mind that the Trust is the right thing for both Me and the club.
Brilliant post mate.
The Trust are a minority and it seems they are never willing to get there hands dirty; by which I mean they never make and worthwhile contribution to the 'Well fans. I honestly don't see the point in the Trust because of this.
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The Trust had tried to have a meeting with the match commander on a number of occasions over the past year.
And yet the 'Wellboys can get one no problem? Strange that...
Chris Porter
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The money we'd get from the land Fir Park is on would most likely be enough to build us 10 new 'Craig stadiums!
I would rather keep him and have a chance of 3rd or 4th than sell him and have none. Let's be honest, he's been the only well player (bar Sutton's first 5 games) who's even looked like scoring.