airfinz
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Surely if they're on the board then they hope to excert an influence on board decisions? So supposedly there's a voice on behalf of the fans in amongst all the suits. Is that the idea? This thread is confusing.
Yeah, I take that as a given. However, they would have little power, and it appears to me to be more of a 'watch & listen' brief - which adds no value whatsoever!
I can see no reason other than the 'cos we want to.'
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I still dont understand why the Trust feel that they should have a member in the Well Board? To what benefit would that be to the average fan? All I can make of it so far is that they want someone there....just cos they do! I can see no real benefit other than an egomaniac attending the Board meetings, spouting spurious pish that the Trust want to point out, before being "ignored."
Can anyone tell me what they feel will be achieved?
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The Supporters Trust should be representative of the fans they are representing (obviously) so the fact that the head of the Rangers Supporters Trust comes across as a dobber makes perfect sense to me! :-)
In all seriousness, the Trust want a seat on the board for an elected (by the Trust members) individual. I don't doubt for a second that if we were granted such a position that the membership would probably increase tenfold so that everyone could have their vote or even put themselves forward. However, it is my belief that the board position will not be forthcoming from Mr Boyle until we have sufficient membership numbers to justify it, which is entirely understandable. That's the catch 22 that I keep talking about.
Frazzle
Yeah, but for what purpose do the Trust want a seat on the Board? There appears to be no legitimate reason for there being a Trust rep on the Board, other than 'you want one.'
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I don't know what I've done to give you that impression, airfinz. For what it's worth, that used to be my own opinion of the Trust. I joined up because I recognise what an excellent concept Supporters Trusts are, and how beneficial they can be to fans and clubs alike, and I could see that ours wasn't using that potential.
There is a £10 annual fee to join the Trust. I think that's a reasonable fee, but it's not for me to tell people where and how they spend their money.
The main objectives of the Trust are to improve communications between the club and the fans, and to represent the fans views, with the overall aim to be given our own, legitimate, elected seat on the board of directors of the club. One of the items on the agenda of this months meeting (scheduled for this Wednesday) is to re-afirm the goals of the movement and to produce a revised Mission Statement. It is no secret that the Trust was set up in a hurry to help the club through administration and, while that was all well and good at the time, I think it's fair to say that since the future of the club has been secured, the Trust has not done itself or the fans justice. The present board do not hide from that fact, but we are doing all we can to change it.
Frazzle
Nothing that you have said or done has given me the impression Frazzle; it is merely the impression I have of all 'trusts.' A prime example of this would be the egomaniac at Rangers Trust, David Edgar, who appears to be a dobber of the highest extreme.
Thanks for clarifying bits and bobs; but can I ask, why do the Trust harbout the ambition to have a seat on the Board of Directors? Does that not fall into the 'David Edgar' category - ie - a bumped up nobody with a whole load of misplaced self importance?
How would the Trust member be put forward? The guy with the most mates? Would he be willing to sacrifice his day job to undertake the role, and if not what would the point be?
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Can I ask what the mission statement of the Trust is? I am confused as to what the aims and objectives of the Trust are!
Is there a fee to join the Trust? Surely that money would be better spent on merchandise that benefits the club, and not a group of supporters' egos?
To me, it seems that it is a bunch of 'holier than thou' well fans, all desperate to prove they are a better fan than the next man. That is not meant as a dig, but a serious conception I have of the Trust. Perhaps you can advise otherwise?
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Of course it's the way you take yourselves so seriously that makes you all the funnier.
Seconded!
We apologise for wasting your time, as you trust guys are clearly very important people, with many big decisions to make on the future of our club......our fans.....and the whole universe!
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And after a thought a stat - every time Porter has scored this season we have won and every time Clarkson has scored we have lost.
To be fair though, that stat is more of a coincidence than anything else. Those kind of stats make no real sense in footballing terms.
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I voted for Klimpl. Thought he marshalled the midfield magnificently, and the Jambohuns got no change from an area where they have dominated us in the past. Really been impressed by the man in midfield, though feel he will pick up many bookings over the season (though the one tonight was well worth it imo)!
O'Brien certainly 'worked his socks off (to coin a phrase that really makes no sense)' tonight, though I am in agreement with the other poster that it was too very little produce......in saying that, he was involved in the build up to the goal. Other than that, wasn't overly impressed by him, but note that the tremendous support he has been getting of late seems to have lifted his confidence. Hopefully he can up his game on the back off these more 'workmanlike' performances.
Thought Clarky played well tonight in bursts, but the overall game (and our hoofing) meant it was a more physical game than artful! Big Porter deserves some commendation for the kicking he received throughout his time on the pitch.
Ref was atrocious!
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Can you ban me from the site please.
There is no point in posting on this board as if your not in the gang your posts get ignored or ridiculed, even if you have a valid point to make.
So, in the words of Duncan Bannatyne..........."I'm Out"
That is up there with the best over-reaction in the history of this site.
Congrats
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that what i was thinkin'
that's why i think this thread is a joke
Oasis was a shop with shoes so hot
They were sure to blow your minnnnnnnd!
Like your sig Busta...... great song!
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No offence mate, but the trust just comes across to me as a bit of a joke and one meeting doesn't make you heroes.
Dont know why, but anytime I hear of the Trust (in saying that most other clubs' versions also) I am reminded of the Life of Brian sketch at the end..... though replacing "I'm Brian of Nazerath" with "I'm Motherwell's best fan"......."No I'm Motherwell's best fan" etc. Egomaniacs in my humble, yet sincere opinion.
Not much constructive to say I may add, yet my tuppence worth nonetheless.
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R.I.P. Phil.
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We should bring back Ged Brannan for all televised games! He liked nothing better than a goal when SKY visited!
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While the original chap's criticism was not what you call 'constructive' he does have a couple of points that perhaps the well boys should consider......in fact that very sentiment has been echoed by a lot of other posters; and that is some of the songs are absolutely cringworthy!
I quite like what you lads are trying to achieve, but using the same dodgy songs that every other club's fans use can be quite annoying. For example, the Torres song changed to Porter is terrible, the celtic song that goes 'ooohhh ooohhh ooohhh ooohhh ooohhh' after some crap verse is similarly shocking.
Perhaps is you all embraced some more traditional 'Well songs like:claret and amber ribbon, the Joe Wark song, etc; others might be more inclined to join in - and they would be less cringeworthy to the 'non well boys.'
Take what you want from that, as it is only my opinion. Other than that, your efforts to bring back an atmosphere should be commended.
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That still to me does not warrant the inclusion.
Just because it's a common goal among supporters trusts does not make it beneficial.
For what it's worth, I dont think there is any place for a fan on any board; on the basis that he is first and foremost a fan! Any votes that he made may be too emotive, and if acting in the interest of the club, could be a conflict of interest; as the interests of the club and those of a select bunch of fans (ie the Trust) can be very contrasting.