Well Well Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 The SPL are kicking them out. It's up to the SFL to do the right thing now. The SPL have just basically threatened the SFL with extinction if they don't agree, bullying of the worst kind and to say it is retaining 'sporting integrity' is absolutely outrageous. My link My other link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobey_Dosser Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 This is what I've been fearing since all the SPL clubs came out with their no votes. Corrupt to the core. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 This is what I've been fearing since all the SPL clubs came out with their no votes. Corrupt to the core. Motherwell Football Club simply must come out and clarify their position in this (Aberdeen have reiterated their stance that Rangers should apply for the SFL like every other club). If it turns out that our club is actively involved in this, then they can go fuck themselves. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsMFC Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 The SPL isn't 'kicking them out', they (SEVCO) are not a football club.There was a football club called Rangers who went bust which has created an empty place in the league structure. Normal practise is that all remaining clubs shift up 1 place & the empty place is open to application. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motherwell89 Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 im just saying its not as simple as chucking them out of everything, even if technically it's not even "them" would never work no matter what way you look at it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well Well Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 MFC Where is your statement on this.? You went to the meeting today. Where does the club stand on this blackmail and bullying document.? It is an insult to our intelligence. A disgrace to be involved in this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 If, and I stress it's a big if yet, clubs such as Dundee United and ourselves have seen season ticket sales rise due to publicly being seen to do the right thing while secretly plotting this monstrosity all along then it is beyond abhorrent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well Well Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 To think I was going up to Fir Park to get my season ticket and join the Well society as the wages went into the bank today...!! Forget it, you are not getting a penny of my money if we accept this. I thought we were building for the future it looks like the club wants the Old Firm duopoly to continue and are happy to be mid table mediocrity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 Between this and the SFA using the England away game in a bid to cash in on the Scotland support, today has left me feeling sick of Scottish football and those that run it. A statement from MFC is required as soon as possible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firparker Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 WHO OR WHAT DEFINES SPORTING INTEGRITY? Albert Camus wrote that what he knew most surely about morality, he owed to sport. Camus was an author, philosopher and amateur footballer (he played in goals for the University of Algiers). He held the view that political groups, religious bodies and other similar authorities, tend to create moral systems and frameworks that impose artificial and overly complex values on our lives, typically to suit their own ends and purposes. Whereas he believed that a more simplistic sense of morality could be forged through resilient participation in basic human activities and practices. A sense of collective purpose, work ethic, bravery, discipline and fair play, characterise playing in a football team, for example, just as much as they give a sense of meaning to our own individual lives. Building our idea of morality from the ground up as opposed to receiving it from external 'authorities' is the best we can hope for, according to this way of thinking. And there is a strong sense in which this view appeals to me. But there is a problem with it, which the analogy with football highlights perfectly: it would be one thing to cultivate a sense of collective purpose among a group of naturally individualistic thinkers; it would be another thing entirely to use this as a foundation for morality, especially when our individualistic preferences rarely leave us. There are too many instances of cheating and rule-breaking, bias and discrimination, self-indulgence and psychological egoism in football, as in the vast majority of human activities, that it hardly serves this purpose well. But on the other hand, Camus does seem to have a point regarding the artificiality and tendency to bias inherent in the alternative approach. So the question we are left with is this: through which source do we come to understand the values of honesty, equality, fairness and integrity that are assumed to sit at the heart of sport, morality and life? Who or what defines them? If we define these values through engaging in basic human activities and practices, they become susceptible to individualistic preference; if we have them imposed on us through external authorities, they become susceptible to authoritarian bias and corruption. When we talk about upholding the value of integrity in sport, how do we know that our understanding of integrity is authentic; how do we know that our sense of integrity is not in some way tainted by our own individual preferences, particularly in football, when individual preferences are partly definitive of the competition itself? Do we rely on the relevant authorities to define integrity in terms of the notions of fair play, sportsmanship, transparency and tolerance? Do we assume we understand this definition in a non-circular way? And how do we know that we can rely on footballing authorities not to subtly modify the meaning of integrity, as a direct consequence of their commercial responsibility to maximise revenue in the game? The crux of the problem is that if you try to define the notion of sporting integrity from a vantage point within the system that it is supposed to regulate, it comes under pressure from competing and contradictory demands. If you try to define it from outside that system, there is a danger that the definition will fail to cope with the complexities that emerge from within the system. It is incredibly difficult to get out of this tangle. Our interpretation of what sporting integrity consists in is dangerously close to losing its authenticity whichever way you define it. And its function as a standard is just as useful as one of Ludwig Wittgenstein's elastic rulers that shrinks or expands to fit the size of the object it is measuring. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well Well Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 Sporting integrity is VERY simple. Pay your taxes, pay other clubs for buying their players, pay the players the wages that have been agreed to the SFA, no dual contracts. If you break the rules you get punished. How fucking hard is that and I don't need a load of shite from Albert fuckface Camus to tell me 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaag Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 Between this and the SFA using the England away game in a bid to cash in on the Scotland support, today has left me feeling sick of Scottish football and those that run it. A statement from MFC is required as soon as possible. agreed - i just feel as though I've gone full circle with my thoughts on this in the space of a week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunnyMFC Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 Think its better for the fans of every club to set up our own league and leave these corrupt bams behind. They can have the Old Firm battling it out every week and we can have our sporting integrity 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motherwell Fan Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 Is Derek Weir still a member of the SPL board? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andalg Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 To think I was going up to Fir Park to get my season ticket and join the Well society as the wages went into the bank today...!! Forget it, you are not getting a penny of my money if we accept this. I thought we were building for the future it looks like the club wants the Old Firm duopoly to continue and are happy to be mid table mediocrity was going to join well trust but not if this plan goes ahead. Imagine what the old firm fans will be like now that they know they are protected, back will come the sectarian singing and if anyone objects the answer will be "what you gonna dae aboot it you need us to survive" and they will be right. Scottish football sent back to the dark ages by the SPL/SFA (guardians of our game) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well Well Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 How about this SPL board SPL - Rangers and Celtic First Division - Rest of the SPL and six from the First Division Pyramid system thereafter sounds a hundred times better than that pish document you put out...I need to go lie down... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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steelboy Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 The SPL isn't 'kicking them out', they (SEVCO) are not a football club.There was a football club called Rangers who went bust which has created an empty place in the league structure. Normal practise is that all remaining clubs shift up 1 place & the empty place is open to application. rangers are still one of the 12 clubs in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldo Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 Also talk that, due to time constraints, the leagues will remain the same size with an SPL2, different distribution of media money (cutting the jump betweeen 2nd and 3rd and giving it to SPL2) play off for 11th, voting stucture changing to 8-4 (except gate money 50 -50 split). To compromise - this means Club 12-7 could be relegated to SPL2 for a possible one year out of SPL. On the plus side, any decent player they've got will be offski for hee haw. Not exactly a shock but still but at least they've went public. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brazilian Posted June 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 rangers are still one of the 12 clubs in the league. Wrong rangers share still exists as a 'club' they don't exist But that's just smoke and mirrors What's went on this past week is truly disgusting and the fact that MFC have a seat on the board of the SPL sickens me It is a truly vile tactic that has played out today Threatening the majority of league football in Scotland whilst continuing to ignore the majority of football fans all for the sake of the corrupt Rangers pound Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nethertonwellfan Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 then you have the very really possibility of the whole of scottish football biting the dust, and me having no team to support no football except the shitty EPL etc You're mental if you believe that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsMFC Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 Until 4/7, or at least that's what we've been led to believe. & it's only because it's 'rangers' that this vote is taking place at all. Don't think there would be a vote on accepting a newco Motherwell into the SPL, or any other club bar Celtic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 Not exactly a shock but still but at least they've went public. If the SFL teams have the balls to tell them to get stuffed, the SPL2 would be a pretty small league. Be better if the SPL teams that voted no set up their own league with the SFL, and leave the other 3 or 4 SPL teams to play on their own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nethertonwellfan Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 Sporting integrity is VERY simple. Pay your taxes, pay other clubs for buying their players, pay the players the wages that have been agreed to the SFA, no dual contracts. If you break the rules you get punished. How fucking hard is that and I don't need a load of shite from Albert fuckface Camus to tell me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StipeIsGod Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH FUCKING FUCK THEM. FUCK. So angered by this. It's a pathetic show of bullying, with a good dose of cowardice thrown in. March on Fir Park for a no vote? March on Hampden for this shit. I have never been as furious with the utter scum who run our leagues as today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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