2023/24 ins & outs discussion

[MJC]

4 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said:

Exactly too many of our fans are in denial. Both St Mirren and Killie have larger fan base than we have both have managed to increase them whereas ours remains static. Please none of this bollocks about fake crowds and Freddie's without the slightest shred of proof. This is a big problem for us our complete inability to get the home support above 3500/4000.

As I’ve said before, maybe if so many of our ‘supporters’ weren’t as lazy, fairweather and only turned up when we get to Hampden or for European games then we might have been able to do a bit better than only being able to match half of what St.Mirren do. 
 

I genuinely didn’t think that that would leave us so far behind the likes of St.M & Killie in terms of wages etc but I suppose it all adds up. 

[FirParkCornerExile]

8 minutes ago, MelvinBragg said:

Van Veen had an outstanding six months where everything he hit went in, in a team that Kettlewell had set up with the tactic 'Play to suit Van Veen'. Looking at the rest of his career, I wouldn't (as it appears Killie have and St Mirren were willing to do) have been pushing the boat out for him...

People do also forget he did go through a barren spell so there are no guarantees. However will be a certainty we will give him his first goal on Saturday 

[fizoxy]

Mcginn is a RCB in a three, and maybe a right back in a 4, but we're not going to a 4 any time soon. He could definitely function as a wing back, but we are obviously looking for more pace there.

SOD looks like he's moving into that RCB role as well, and he fared a lot better out there, so I can see why we want cover at wing back, especially when we expect them to be all action, so having options on the bench is very useful. Also, someone is totally going to get injured.

[FirParkCornerExile]

Just now, MJC said:

As I’ve said before, maybe if so many of our ‘supporters’ weren’t as lazy, fairweather and only turned up when we get to Hampden or for European games then we might have been able to do a bit better than only being able to match half of what St.Mirren do. 
 

I genuinely didn’t think that that would leave us so far behind the likes of St.M & Killie in terms of wages etc but I suppose it all adds up. 

My biggest gripe is St Mirren and Killie benefitting from better league positions and performances and it's reflected in their grounds. If they were having shite seasons they'd be down around our attendances. However if we were sitting 3rd our home crowds would be lucky to rise 500 a game.

[MelvinBragg]

3 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said:

People do also forget he did go through a barren spell so there are no guarantees. However will be a certainty we will give him his first goal on Saturday 

Oh, I haven't forgotten. Neither will Stevie Hammell as Van Veen basically downed tools for Hammell's last month in charge...

[spudmfc]

Most on here can't see the bigger picture with vale,stats show games played,goals scored and assists,...how many chances did he have before he got his goals,how many assists has he been involved in that his team mates couldn't convert,what's his pace like,what's his link up play like,what's his movement like in the box,unbelievable that a player can be sussed out after only starting 5 games for a very average league one side by what they read on a website

[FirParkCornerExile]

1 minute ago, wellgirl said:

The reason I've stayed away from Fir Park at times has nothing to do with being fairweather. It's genuinely been because I couldn't afford it. When I've had the cash to buy a season ticket I've always bought one. And when I can't go to a game I always offer my ticket out because I know what it's like not to be able to afford to go. 

Perfectly acceptable no one should be putting money into the club if they can't afford it , the problem is there will be Motherwell fans who can afford it but won't go. 

[thewelllfan]

27 minutes ago, texanwellfan said:

Any clarification on Vale rumor

Will be with us for rest of the season.

[David]

1 hour ago, MJC said:

Noted. But it’s still pretty galling for us to be ‘gazumped’ by them by double and brings us back to the issue we face that fan ownership isn’t feasible for us as a club. This is just my opinion but I don’t see how we can sustain ourselves as a top flight and full time club on our current structure and as I’ve said before if and when we are relegated then part time football is inevitable for us. 

Every chance we will eventually be relegated. Virtually every other club around us has been in recent times, so it could just be our turn.

8 minutes ago, wellgirl said:

Is he match fit? 

Hasn't kicked a ball since November. Take from that what you will.

[MJC]

1 minute ago, wellgirl said:

The reason I've stayed away from Fir Park at times has nothing to do with being fairweather. It's genuinely been because I couldn't afford it. When I've had the cash to buy a season ticket I've always bought one. And when I can't go to a game I always offer my ticket out because I know what it's like not to be able to afford to go. 

I get that and I know that in modern times it can be hard for fans to fork out their hard earned week in, week out to go and support the team. Life happens.
 

But I’m not ‘having a go’ at fans who for whatever reason can’t go to the games. I’m more meaning those who could go but choose instead to spend their Saturday/or whatever at the pub or the bookies, or the bowling or the golf…all of which costs money too. I know a fair few Motherwell supporters who fall into those categories and I dare say others do too. Semi Finals? Cup Finals? European ties? They’re there. But run of the mill games against Kilmarnock on a Saturday and Ross County on a Tuesday night? Forget it. 
 

Like it or not we just don’t have a very good or loyal support with the exception of the small, faithful band of regulars.

[FirParkCornerExile]

Just now, wellgirl said:

I sincerely hope we won't go down. 

We are long over due it but doesn't mean it will happen. We just need to get the club stable again. Get some decent money for Lennon Miller and get ourselves sorted out. If we come through the next 6 months there's no reason to think we can't put the shambolic last 2/3 years behind us.

[David]

Imagine how much more f*cked we'd be financially if we'd binned off Kettlewell and his backroom team earlier this season as well? 

[wellfan]

9 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said:

Perfectly acceptable no one should be putting money into the club if they can't afford it , the problem is there will be Motherwell fans who can afford it but won't go. 

Apathy, likely beginning during the Covid season and fully realised through the serial mismanagement we’ve witnessed since. 

[thewelllfan]

Well that's why the folk in charge have to start making the right appointments so we don't have to sack them. Whatever idiot gave Alexander that new deal basically crippled the club.

 

 

[FirParkCornerExile]

1 minute ago, wellfan said:

Apathy, likely beginning during the Covid season and fully realised through the serial mismanagement we’ve witnessed since. 

It goes back longer than that mate. Our home crowds have been stuck at 3500 /4000 for years and years.

[steelboy]

5 minutes ago, David said:

Imagine how much more f*cked we'd be financially if we'd binned off Kettlewell and his backroom team earlier this season as well? 

Will it be cheaper when we do it next week?

[David]

1 minute ago, thewelllfan said:

Well that's why the folk in charge have to start making the right appointments so we don't have to sack them. Whatever idiot gave Alexander that new deal basically crippled the club.

Agreed. It should be very rare when we give a manager anything longer than a 12 month rolling contract, in my opinion.

[dennyc]

1 hour ago, steelboy said:

Aye as I said it's a scam.

41 million a year to help poor kids in Paisley and you can guarantee most of the people who run it will be driving Range Rovers or BMWs. 

Not a scam at all. All legal and well found by St Mirren

The fact it riles you does not make it wrong. Maybe our Board need to be a wee bit more creative. Maybe they do have such an arrangement with local Charities? 

[grizzlyg]

Devine confirmed, welcome Adam.   No misplaced passes in first 45 mins or you will be written off.

Ps. Messaged my Gers mate and says he is good player and comfortable on left side also 

[MJC]

2 minutes ago, grizzlyg said:

Devine confirmed, welcome Adam.   No misplaced passes in first 45 mins or you will be written off.

Ps. Messaged my Gers mate and says he is good player and comfortable on left side also 

Where are you seeing this?

[steelboy]

Just now, dennyc said:

Not a scam at all. All legal and well found by St Mirren

The fact it riles you does not make it wrong. Maybe our Board need to be a wee bit more creative. Maybe they do have such an arrangement with local Charities? 

It's a fucking scam. A legal one but a scam. 

Third sector spending in Scotland is £8.5 bn a year. Councils and the NHS only spend about £15 bn each. It's absolutely insane that the third sector spends 50% of the NHS total and there is zero scrutiny or oversight. 

[steelboy]

Devine just feels like getting a body in because Kettlewell is to much of a diddy to make any proper signings in positions we need. 

[grizzlyg]

2 minutes ago, MJC said:

Where are you seeing this?

BBC website 

[FirParkCornerExile]

2 minutes ago, steelboy said:

Devine just feels like getting a body in because Kettlewell is to much of a diddy to make any proper signings in positions we need. 

Who would you suggest then

[Yabba's Turd]

2 minutes ago, steelboy said:

Devine just feels like getting a body in because Kettlewell is to much of a diddy to make any proper signings in positions we need. 

Give the bile a rest for an hour