robsterwood Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago Yes need Ox back. Ward must be in last chance saloon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago Ward has made a couple of big errors but he's also made more than one decent save to keep us in matches - notably two at Tynecastle. I think it's pretty clear some people want Ox back and that's fair enough but Ward hasn't been all bad - just that when you make a big error - it's more noticeable Every keeper lets in goals. Kelly had a really dismal spell for us at one point - pretty prolonged if I recall and some people were saying Ox should go in goals then - I think we should give Ward a break tbh - and personally I trust JBA to make the right decision Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santheman Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago 30 minutes ago, wellgirl said: Ward has made a couple of big errors but he's also made more than one decent save to keep us in matches - notably two at Tynecastle. I think it's pretty clear some people want Ox back and that's fair enough but Ward hasn't been all bad - just that when you make a big error - it's more noticeable Every keeper lets in goals. Kelly had a really dismal spell for us at one point - pretty prolonged if I recall and some people were saying Ox should go in goals then - I think we should give Ward a break tbh - and personally I trust JBA to make the right decision This is it in a nutshell. Doesn't matter what we think he's the guy who sees him every day in training and you either trust his judgement or you don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunderwell Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago I think JBA likes Wards feet and we all like Ox's hands! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsterwood Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 14 minutes ago, wunderwell said: I think JBA likes Wards feet and we all like Ox's hands! Your right we all like Ox hands. Like to see ox back. It must be last orders in last chance saloon for ward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 6 minutes ago, robsterwood said: Your right we all like Ox hands. Like to see ox back. It must be last orders in last chance saloon for ward. You've said that already. Why would it be last chance saloon? He's made mistakes but so does every goalkeeper. Do you not think we should back our players? There were folk slagging off Ox last season - folk have very short memories. And like I said earlier - Liam Kelly went a lot longer going through a very poor spell and he didn't get the grief Ward is currently getting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunderwell Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago 14 minutes ago, robsterwood said: Your right we all like Ox hands. Like to see ox back. It must be last orders in last chance saloon for ward. if it's last orders in last chance saloon for Ward - let's hope he doesn't order shots! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunderwell Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago 10 minutes ago, wellgirl said: You've said that already. Why would it be last chance saloon? He's made mistakes but so does every goalkeeper. Do you not think we should back our players? There were folk slagging off Ox last season - folk have very short memories. And like I said earlier - Liam Kelly went a lot longer going through a very poor spell and he didn't get the grief Ward is currently getting Early days as you are saying. I think the grief AP is getting and Ward is getting is, is because of the JBA words of ambition. The fans are now being ambitious too. If the two had been on top form we would be on 8 points & I think a very deserved 8 points as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago 1 minute ago, wunderwell said: Early days as you are saying. I think the grief AP is getting and Ward is getting is, is because of the JBA words of ambition. The fans are now being ambitious too. If the two had been on top form we would be on 8 points & I think a very deserved 8 points as well. I really do get that. But I think it's a bit ridiculous that Kellys poor run in goals lasted something like ten weeks (someone can correct me if I am wrong). And there were issues with Kelly and the defence when Hammell was in charge too Like for me if Ward goes in goals again and makes an arse of it - drop him. I just think the criticism he's getting just now is a tad disproportionate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunderwell Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago 1 minute ago, wellgirl said: I really do get that. But I think it's a bit ridiculous that Kellys poor run in goals lasted something like ten weeks (someone can correct me if I am wrong). And there were issues with Kelly and the defence when Hammell was in charge too Like for me if Ward goes in goals again and makes an arse of it - drop him. I just think the criticism he's getting just now is a tad disproportionate Yeh I feel the same way about AP. Guy is slogging his guts out - perhaps even overtrying but it's not coming off for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago Just now, wunderwell said: Yeh I feel the same way about AP. Guy is slogging his guts out - perhaps even overtrying but it's not coming off for him. I feel the same too and you know if players are sensible they won't look at the criticism on social media. I also get the fact that we pay money and have a right to criticise. I'm just not sure that it's productive that a couple of players are told over and over that they aren't good enough. Also because the only reason Ward was in goals to start with was because Ox was injured. He was asked to step up - Matty too. I think we will only know how things are going to pan out when Aston is back in goals. If he deserves the number one spot fine - but I don't think Ward is a terrible keeper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted 1 hour ago Author Report Share Posted 1 hour ago 25 minutes ago, wellgirl said: And like I said earlier - Liam Kelly went a lot longer going through a very poor spell and he didn't get the grief Ward is currently getting Can't agree there, Kelly got tons of grief when his form dropped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellman Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago 34 minutes ago, wellgirl said: You've said that already. Why would it be last chance saloon? He's made mistakes but so does every goalkeeper. Do you not think we should back our players? There were folk slagging off Ox last season - folk have very short memories. And like I said earlier - Liam Kelly went a lot longer going through a very poor spell and he didn't get the grief Ward is currently getting Aye at least two seasons he was absolute garbage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago 8 minutes ago, David said: Can't agree there, Kelly got tons of grief when his form dropped. I don't think he got as much as Ward is getting after a few games - Kelly's poor spell went on longer. Obviously it's different because we've just started the season. Like I went to two away games last season. One was a 4-1 loss and the other a 3-1 loss. I didn't see Aston get the grief Ward is currently getting if that makes sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsterwood Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago Think one reason wards getting stuck is that the goals he conceded have been so costly. We could have had 6 points from last 2 games if he didn't make the errors and be near top of league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsterwood Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago There's usually one guy gets pelters and soon it will be someone else. SOd, Kelly, ap Stam , now Ward. Next it will be someone else. Stama has improved as has SoD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago I understand peoples point of view - but it's done. There's nothing to be gained from constantly criticising players in my view - it doesn't help them. Ward was brought in as back up anyway and if JBA thinks he needs dropped then I'm sure he will do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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