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We have to beat killie or he’s under real pressure for me regardless of how many games needs the right team selection & needs to show he can change it at the right times nobody wants to see a manager sacked or a player fail but sometimes u get a feeling that it’s just not quite right hopefully turn it round but the jury’s out

I said after the Dundee game that we’ll inevitably part ways with him in the not too distant future. Admittedly, I’ve not fancied him from day 1. Whilst articulate, there is no substance or conviction to what he says and he has the presence of a supply teacher. I understand that we are in transition, albeit with possibly our most expensively assembled squad this century, and I understand that others are far more patient than me. However, the alarm bells should be ringing for everyone today on multiple fronts. Alfred was brought in as a modern day head coach, what he delivered today on the back of three weeks preparation tells you all you need to know about his coaching ability. Secondly, we had two of our most exciting talents and biggest assets, both proven in the league, sitting on the bench at the expense of Willy Vogt. That simply can’t be right for a club our size and suggests that the reported fallouts with senior players at Rosenborg is repeating itself here. Last year we unquestionably had the best manager in the league. Nobody was going to fill the void left by Jens. As things stand however, we have appointed someone that is a strong contender for being the worst manager in the league. With the crowds falling and the feel good factor completely gone, the sooner the Chairman and Board can take responsibility for their poor appointment, the better. Until then, there will be little enjoyment to be had following Motherwell.

Ahh “don’t feed the troll” In other words “you and I can’t argue with anything that has been put forward by that particular poster so let’s just slink away and try to dismiss it as trolling” It’s a bit like “pant wetter” and “you’re behaving like Old Firm fans”. I’m just here to discuss the club and the team. Point of the forum surely?

I'm as disappointed as anyone and as yet unconvinced by the manager or indeed most of the signings but people wanting the manager sacked 8 games into the season is absolutely laughable. 8 games for fuck sake !!! get a grip. I listened to this same kind of talk when Pressley was 10 games in at Dundee.

Tawanda and Kanga should have started on the bench, Tawanda has been pish for months and deserves a place on the bench Kanga just isn't up to speed yet. I have no issue with the manager trying something different, including giving Vogts a start. My issue was it was very clear in the first half Vogts wasn't going to cut it today and the midfield was totally ineffective. So why did the manager wait to change it. It should have been changed at half time.... AT THE LATEST The manager watched Sparrow being shagged the entire 1st half and did nothing to protect or help him. Sparrow ain't a right back but if you ask him to do that job he should get support / help 100% the managers fault.

Stop feeding the troll, its best practice never to argue with an idiot as they drag you down to their level then beat you with experience.

Hallelujah for a sensible post!

And what do we have right now? Because I don’t see anything that you mention in the above quote from us in this current team.

I generally agree with you, however that today was an utter riot from start to finish and it is 100% on the manager

Virtually every season, you mention relegation as a certainty. And yet here we are, in our 42nd season in the top flight.

If the strategy is going to get us relegated, yes.

This is the same discussion fans had before we brought in Wimmer. Under Kettlewell, Alexander, and Robinson, we were usually pretty "effective and formidable." For the most part, though, the football was the typical turgid crap we see in Scotland at our level. A team full of honest laddies and guys who have no socks at the end of a game due to them having been "run off." And our average crowd reflected that. A normal season for us is challenging for top six, and possibly pushing further if everything lands correctly. A cup run is a bonus that depends on luck and other factors. Would we rather finish, on average, 5th-9th while playing football that's exciting, with players who are easy on the eye and who are attracting attention from bigger clubs, or be "effective and formidable" as we have been many times in the pre-Wimmer era? I'll take what we have right now all day long. And the reason isn't just because we had a good season last year. It's because it affects everything at the club. Will we see these exciting players wanting to join the club if we're managed by a Clarke, Robinson or Kettlewell type? I doubt it. We'll be back to throwing lower English league freebies and loans against the wall and hoping something sticks. We're seemingly on course to have an absolutely average season this year. Even the posts on the forum indicate that. We're seeing the usual suspects looking for the manager to get bumped less than 10 games in, proclaiming impending doom and relegation, which will inevitably end up with us settling in around 8th or 9th after Christmas and either pushing for top six or losing steam and finishing 8th or 9th. That's all par for the course when we have an average season.

So rip up the full club strategy 🤣🤣🤣

Not atall. Brown was seen at the time as a safe pair of hands but completely unexciting type of appointment after Jim Gannon. Yet he steadied us and turned us from a shambles under Gannon into a formidable side which managed to qualify for Europe. I’m not saying that Clarke would do the same if he was to be offered the job (and it’s all hypothetical of course because we have a manager and he isn’t even being considered as far as I know) but I tend to think he would make us a lot more effective and formidable as a team than Alfred Johansson.

Now you are just taking the piss

Stubborn to the point of failure. I called it.

He would say that tho, wouldn't he.

And insisting in interview that his starting line up was correct !!

Quite a few of our fans were against Craig Brown getting our job in 2009 based on what he did with Scotland. But he turned out alright in the end. Sometimes pragmatic beats excitement/experiment.

And chase away the crowds

Mmmm his team are playing the wrong way. It's pretty obvious today . When Celtic had the ball they moved forwards as a team with the ball. We just stood or jogged expecting a backwards pass. He needs to get the team flowing fforwards.Still think they ain't listening to him.

I was starting to find some sympathy/agreement with your views today......but that's just fucked it 🤣

Steve Clarke anyone? I don’t know if he would even be interested but I wouldn’t mind us asking the question should the situation arise. Forget what he did/didn’t do with Scotland, he would make us hard to beat and competitive.

Willy looked lost as if he was a laddie playing with the big boys. No vision to run forward for a pass whatso ever. Just filling a jersey. But what is worse is the manager selecting him and keeping him on so long.

Probably want to give the guy more than 10 games. But that's just me. Going by your thinking we should expect to see McGlynn sent packing any day now.