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  2. Maybe he was on the 2nd feed and had a late start to catch up on his sleep! šŸ˜šŸ˜šŸ˜
  3. He ended up in Seville, no Oz! šŸ˜‰
  4. You have very eloquently expanded on some of the thoughts I was having and put flesh on the bones of what I was trying to get across. Very well done! šŸ§”ā¤ļøšŸ§”
  5. Lengthy rambling post incoming, btw... I think there are two different lines of thought being discussed here. The first is whether the Society should ever use some of its money to invest in the club rather than continuing indefinitely to put everything into the reserve. On that, I can see a strong argument for change. The second is whether this particular structure is the right way to do it. I’m less certain about that. One thing I wouldn’t underestimate is the risk of doing nothing. As a club, we are competing against clubs where private owners or investors can put additional capital into training facilities, stadium improvements, commercial infrastructure, recruitment systems and sometimes simply provide financial headroom when it’s needed. That doesn’t guarantee success, and badly spent money can obviously achieve very little, but over a number of years that investment can compound. Better infrastructure can help develop players. Better commercial operations can generate more revenue. Better facilities can improve recruitment. Those things can eventually feed back into the playing budget. So if Motherwell cannot generate enough surplus internally to fund that type of long-term investment, and also decides not to access Society or external capital, there is a genuine risk of falling behind structurally. For me, that is probably the strongest argument in favour of the principle behind Active Investment. Where I think we need to be careful is making the jump from: ā€œMotherwell needs access to investmentā€ to: ā€œtherefore this particular annual rolling-loan model is the answer.ā€ They aren’t quite the same thing in my opinion. The Ā£1.5m reserve is still the first thing I would want clarified. If Ā£1.5m represents the amount the Society believes it prudently needs to protect the club against relegation and an unforeseen event, I still struggle slightly with the logic of diverting half of the default subscription income elsewhere before getting there. If Ā£1.5m is simply a longer-term target rather than a minimum safety level, that's a different matter. But I think members need to understand which it is. I also don’t think simply inflation-adjusting an old Ā£1.5m number necessarily gives us the answer. The correct reserve in 2026 should be based on the risks facing Motherwell in 2026, not just what Ā£1.5m from years ago is worth today. The consultation explains that around Ā£1m could be required in a relegation scenario, plus another Ā£500k for an unexpected loss of income. That sounds reasonable as a starting point, but I’d be interested in how far the downside scenario goes. For example, what happens if we spend two seasons in the Championship rather than one? What happens if relegation also affects transfer income? The consultation itself acknowledges the importance of recent player sales in covering potential shortfalls while the underlying operating deficit is reduced. If we were relegated, there is at least a possibility that player valuations fall, buyers know we are in a weaker negotiating position, some players want to leave, commercial income drops further, and the timing of sales becomes less favourable. That doesn’t mean Ā£1.5m is wrong, by the way. It just means fans might like to know that those risks have been considered together rather than relegation being treated as a single isolated Ā£1m event. I also agree with the point made above about the difference between productive investment and plugging ordinary losses. If the Society lends Ā£200k for a project that has a credible business case and will save the club Ā£60k a year, increase commercial income, improve an asset or otherwise produce measurable long-term value, I can see the logic. If the money gradually starts disappearing into normal annual operating expenditure, that is a very different proposition. The answer there could be a pretty firm rule that Active Investment is for identifiable investment projects, not simply another source of working capital to reduce the club’s normal deficit. That also brings me to the loan structure. Calling the scheme ā€œActive Investmentā€ is understandable, but what is currently proposed, from what I can see, is essentially an ongoing shareholder-loan arrangement. Again, there is nothing inherently wrong with that. Private football club owners use shareholder loans all the time. The difference is that a private owner is normally risking their own capital and may ultimately extend the loan indefinitely, convert it into shares or write it off. The Society is deploying money accumulated from thousands of supporters, so I think the terms deserve more scrutiny. When the consultation says the investment will be ā€œprotectedā€, what exactly does that mean? Is the loan secured? Does it earn interest? Where would it rank against other creditors? What happens if the club cannot repay after the stated period? Is rolling the loan expected to be the normal outcome? If loans keep being rolled for ten or fifteen years, is the Society effectively providing permanent capital anyway, and if so, would equity sometimes be a more appropriate structure? I don’t have a predetermined answer to those questions. I just think they are fundamental rather than technical details. There is also a broader point about how the projects are generated. I’d much rather the sequence was: ā€œHere is a project the club believes is worth Ā£250k. Here is what it costs, what it saves or generates, the payback period and why Society finance is the best funding source.ā€ rather than: ā€œWe have Ā£200k of Society money available every year. What can we spend it on?ā€ That distinction is important, I think, because otherwise the existence of an annual funding pot can eventually start driving the spending decision. That is something private owners also have to guard against. Access to easy capital can be useful, but it can also reduce financial discipline. So I’d probably be somewhere in the middle on the whole thing. I don’t think continuing forever with every penny going into a bank account is necessarily the best use of the Society’s position as majority shareholder. If other Scottish clubs are investing significantly in their businesses and Motherwell refuses to access any additional capital, there is a legitimate risk that we fall behind over time. But equally, being the majority shareholder should mean more than simply being the easiest source of finance available to the club. It should mean deploying capital selectively, independently and with a clear understanding of both the upside and the downside. That’s why I keep coming back to what seems like an obvious compromise. Agree the Active Investment framework now if members support the principle. Put the project appraisal process, loan terms and safeguards in place. But unless there is an urgent investment opportunity that makes waiting genuinely disadvantageous, why not maintain the existing default until the reserve reaches whatever level is finally agreed to be prudent? At that point you have both sides of the model in place: a properly funded safety net and a mechanism for investing in growth. For me, the question isn’t really whether the Society should invest in Motherwell. The answer is that It probably should. The more important question is how it does that without weakening the very financial protection that supporter ownership was designed to provide.
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  7. Your series posts are good , it's when you try to be funny you let yourself down. Dont take it personally it's just a bit of fun.
  8. Would that be in the twenty first century?
  9. Is there any post I make that you do like? 🤣🤣, I must have upset you in a previous life
  10. Fact you remember all my jokes I will take as a compliment ..in fact.........ba boom 🤪🤪
  11. Nae Tesco doon here šŸ‡¦šŸ‡ŗ
  12. I have started to compile a dossier of your funny jokes that you have posted on here , I am on page one at the moment and that's still blank.šŸ˜‚
  13. Every game I witnessed when he was playing he was always out of position, off the ball never anticipating where the ball was going in the box and two yards short in the box ,he was truly woeful. Most of his goals were penaltys , that bad no one would buy him from us. Probably McArthur FC got Tesco vouchers to take him off our hands.
  14. And they're currently 2-0 up after 15 minutes.
  15. I could score penalties and I am nearly seventy. We have had many good penalty takers in my years watching motherwell, but they were also good players , ap stam was not a good player.
  16. I'm not saying he was great, but to put things in perspective we have 8 forwards on our books right now. JT is the top scorer. AP scored more league goals than the other 7 have combined. If you want to throw Luca Ross's first team appearances in the mix, AP scored more league goals than the other 8 have combined. He also took a better penalty than JT.
  17. Is it the case that we should as a minimum know the basics of what the ground report revealed? And what upgrades are urgently required. If we are staying put even. I support 100% any proposal that improves things for our less able supporters. Lifts being installed seems like a no brainer to me. In this day and age all grounds should be adapting as required. Other venues have to by Law but football seems to get an easy ride. We need to know what the long term plans are re Fir Park before we commit to any expenditure. I hope at the very least the Society have had some indication of what that Report revealed. As owners, I am reminded. As to what we need as a Reserve should disaster eventually strike, the McLean houses over 4500. Relegation would lose us 2 home games against Rangers, Celtic and more than likely Hearts, Hibs and Aberdeen. Assuming top six. (The reason no League reconstruction will be sanctioned). That equates to around 30,000 paying away fans. Possibly more if the other three exceed 2000 per game. At Ā£25 each that totals lost income of Ā£750,000……for one season (somebody please check my calculation. It shocked me). I guess playing Arbroath, Livi, County etc would not really compensate. Add loss of tv revenue, match day sales etc. WeeYin rightly mentioned Parachute payments but how much will that really compensate given other areas that would also be adversely affected. In the absence of a sugar daddy or external finance I don’t think a reserve of Ā£1.5m or less is anywhere near enough. And I don’t really care what other Clubs have in place. Each situation is unique. Of course my figures are only guesstimates. How about someone from the Society with access to accurate figures and the Club Board draw up details of the financial impact of relegation? That’s what we should be made aware of, even if nobody believes it will happen. What cuts would require to be made if sufficient resources were not available? Cuts which would affect our ability to bounce straight back up. I’m in no way against the Society providing funding as they have done for the likes of Mrs Baillie’s. It’s a great ambition and the results benefit all. . But let’s not forget why the Society was created in the first place.
  18. Yes, I would support this kind of project. However the initial stumbling block is the lack of decision on the stadium feasibilty study.
  19. Probably back in Scandinavia for a long weekend.
  20. He was never interested in being here , and I put all my supporting energy into supporting players who are good at football and also happy to be playing with Motherwell FC. Better strikers at Bellshill Athletic.
  21. Lennon Miller starts tonight against Inter Milan. That's good timing if he wants to remind the new Scotland boss he exists.
  22. I don't that quite captures the welcoming and "safe place to fail" ethos that has helped create our current level of success.
  23. Fuck him , he was shite and a waste of money.
  24. Yet another joke recycled from last season.
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