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If Ox isnt up to it, its a long time until January if you've burned the only alternative. Im not saying Im happy with the mistakes he has made, but I was more upset about the handling errors in the Hearts and Killie games than today. Not that it makes any difference what any of us think as JBA is going to back him and thats all that counts.

I don’t think it’s an expectation thing, I’d say it’s more to do with players willingness to dig in and do the hard work rather then wait for someone else to do it, our players work rate if a hell of a lot more than theirs and for that we should all be grateful.

Calum Ward's error rate is now unsustainable. Yes, keepers do make mistakes, but there comes a point when it really becomes unacceptable, and thats where we are now. The Ox is now due his chance again. If he proves unreliable then we have to move for a new keeper in the January sales. Goalkeeping errors are now costing us big time.

Kettlewell alleged abuse seems light compared to the awful abuse and thuggery from sevco fans. They tried to stop the bus leaving and Martin needed police escort to leave. If that was well that behaviour would be demonised.

If the pass hadn’t gone astray and got to the intended Motherwell player then Ward would have taken out 5 of the Celtic outfield players with one pass, leaving plenty of room for out midfield and strikes to exploit. Yes it’s risk and reward football which when it works is beautiful but when it goes wrong, like today, horrendous. I’m still a believer in it so won’t get too upset about it. Celtic got the breaks today, FFS their penalty came from a McGregor mis-hit shot that bounced up off the ground. It's all ifs, buts and maybes but they definitely got the luck today.

He also cant train due to injuries. He just looks after himself and turns up on matchdays. All fine as ling as he is playing well. Can just imagine this place if he made a mistake! "What we doing signing a guy who cant train! We shouldnt be a retirement home for former players!"

Dundee let Carson go to Ross county. He was good with his feet and hands. I'm thinking they didn't want him to go to rival club.

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I went for Stamatelopoulos I've been critical of him and I'm still not convinced but he did well today, so credit where its due.

Just watching Sportscene. First half the maswanhise shot from the tight angle. Keeper saves it then think it’s Carter Vickers simply plays it back to him and Schmeichel catches it. Wtf?? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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In other news Martin sacked. Bizarrely he has same record in league as JBA. We are getting loads of praise, just shows you expectations of clubs. Personally I think JBA has been great appointment and is getting us there slowly but surely

The supposed big point in his favour, which atoned for other sins, was that he was good with his feet. Hmm...

He can make lots of types of errors/mistakes then? That don't make it better. I'm with Grizzly. Hoped the best for him but he's costing us points. He also can't command his area and can't deal with crosses. Falkirk goin to put pressure on him on next game , knowing he's liable to make error and test him with crosses also.

Agree totally, but point is they are all mistakes he has made. Surely Ox cant be that bad that he doesn't deserve at least a chance?

Firstly, Id seperate the previous handling errors from this one as they are not the same type of mistake. 🙄🙄🙄

For me , hearts game he spills a shot.....killie game ...spills a simple catch....today.....bonkers pass to opposition. His errors aren't just down to new style. Nice lad and doing his best but imo how many more games is he going to cost us before JBA needs to be ruthless

Its almost as if Jens is a good manager who knows what he is doing! 😉

Sorry but I disagree. Firstly, Id seperate the previous handling errors from this one as they are not the same type of mistake. If the manager tries to drum into you in training that you dont just hoof it and goes on at lengths to show why doing so was why we lost against Hearts, then you can understand why Ward was reluctant to put the laces through it today. Its still a bad decision. He should hoof it. But this is a team having to learn an entirely new way of playing. We all feared that this was the type of goal we would conceed, so no surprise that it has happened, other than its taken this long. The important thing is whether he/we learn from this and can avoid doing the same again.

He was careful in his after match interview not to mention any specific mistakes or single out anyone as being the cause of our defeat so I agree with your last statement. I’m thinking there will be some discussion to try and make sure we don’t repeat avoidable mistakes.

The errors made by Ward are nothing to do with the system JBA is asking the players to play, they are pure and simply him making a complete James Hunt of it and failing to meet the basic requirements of a goal keeper, ie catching the ball or not passing it straight to an opposition player.

There is also other options in January I'd a goalie becomes available that is good with his hands and feet.

Think this hurts so much cause of the progress we have made and certainly at the moment Celtic seem to be flat. Maybe it was our best chance to get something for a good while It’s really early in our new system and with the injury to folk like Just Sule Slattery we are maybe a bit light in the depth department. That to me though is the managers job development these players and bring up the quality overall. It’s only game 7 in the league. If we continue with these types of performances I think we will do well.

Or Ward could have taken the simple, easy and sensible option of just booting it up the park as far as possible and we would not have lost a goal.

Our system doesnt work that way. We need the keeper to step up and be an extra player at the back to create the space to play out. If Jens is watching Ox in training he will know whether rhe is capable of that or not. Id wager thats why he supported Ward so strongly after the repeated mistakes. Id also wager he will do the same again after this one.......