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I dont disagree. But even if he does that, we still have the same issue when Longelo goes off injured. I guess we could put Halliday in there, or bring Balmer on and shift McGinn across. None of those options are ideal though. Not my intention to bash the manager as I think in general he has been fantastic for us. But there are one or two things that havent been quite right.

Having an England shirt as their change kit doesn't help their case.

Celtic fans tend to be a lot more anti-Scottish than Rangers fans do. I think more of them now associate themselves with Scotland/being Scottish since the 2014 Independence referendum but that’s more for political reasons rather than football ones. Rangers have probably done more for the National side than any other club over the years. There was a time that the vast majority of the Scotland support was made up by Rangers fans, back when football and politics weren’t so unhealthily intertwined. They’ve also supplied some of Scotland’s best ever players like Ally McCoist, Jim Baxter, Barry Ferguson, Andy Goram and more.

The same as foul throws and tackling from behind. All very random.

This is the problem. There was a note of zero tolerance of jerey pulling (particularly in the box) at the start of the eason last year (I think). It is now very selectively picked up on. It was also meant to be an immediate yellow, which didn’t happen on Sat I don't think (when RCC was tugged back)

I think he said that McGinn's jersey was pulled in the lead up. Having said that, jersey pulling seems to be an acceptable part of the game now. Players are rarely penalised for it. Remember Scott Vernon's ahem... penalty box "tug" on Shaun Hutchinson in the 2014 Pittodrie classic (he almost ripped the shirt off his back)? By concidence, Steven MacLean was the referee, the same as last Saturday!

Ordinarily that would be an option grizzly and it could well be but not for me this time,he's hardly kicked a ball this season,he will be far from match fit and isn't the most mobile at the best of times.i think we will most likely move O'Donnell over but whatever happens we will definitely miss the attacking threat that longelo offers if he is out for a period of time.

Aye, I'm not sure how this myth has originated. Admittedly I don't know thousands of Rangers fans personally but of the dozen or so I know reasonably well, all are Scotland fans and almost half are in the Travel Club. Our granddaughter's partner has Scotland memorabilia plastered all over their house.

Halliday has played left back a good few times in his career, a possible option if Longelo ever injured

Think that's a myth perpetuated by the celtic fans who like to see themselves as the best Scotland/ Ireland/ Palestinian supporters

Apologies if it's further back in the thread, but can't see anyone mentioning it. JBA was miffed at McGinn being fouled for one of the Falkirk goals - didn't see it in any of the highlights, anyone able to shed some light?

As I said above, it comes down to poor game management from JBA. Koutroumbis should’ve been replaced by SOD at halftime, but instead, he waited until it was too late.

I think this is a fair point. Not sure Ewan Wilson is ever going to be good enough, but I wouldnt have let him go on loan without a replacement. Its not like he is getting game time at Raith to develop anyway. You could argue that putting SOD, McGinn or Koutroumbis in there doesnt particularly weaken us there compared to Wilson. However, in a situation like Saturday, when you have a player who is just back from injury being asked to stay on and cover, when he is already struggling, you run the risk of that player breaking down again. We want to avoid that kinda shit heading towards a big semi final.

Generally a good post. I'll offer some defence of Koutroumbis though. He did suffer an injury earlier and that clearly affected him. Also, he's never a left back and its questionable as to why he was asked to play there. McGinn and O'Donnell can both play there in an emergency, which it was. Longello is the only proper left back we have. Why?

I must have good blocking in place, because it opened fine for me (and I've never paid them). Usually pasting the URL into a private browser window does the trick. Anyway, here it is.

Said was tremendous first half as was Elliot Watt

Fair point.

Given the position we have been in some games and not seen them out to collect 3 points , yes I think our overall form has been poor in those games.

and is it that poor ? we are 3 points off 3rd and at half time yesterday we were 3rd. No one outwith Celtic and Hearts have won more than 2 games.

Hibs won their first league game yesterday since match day 1. It shows you how close league is this season with old firm poor ( long may it continue)

Exactly, guy standing at back of hunter yesterday take note

If 1 win in 8 is relegation form everyone from Hibs in 3rd down are in similar form. No one from Hibs (3rd)down to Livingston (12th) have won more than two games.

Now that I've calmed down after yesterday , still greatly pissed off to have lost a game we really should have had won by half time. Defensively in the second half we were a shambles. I don't buy into the McGlynn tactical genius angle. He did what every team should try and do they stepped up their press. However we let them and sat off them. We let them hem us in at our own 18 yard box for much of the second half. Instead our midfield should have been exploiting the space in the midfield Dundee's press was creating but we didn't. Our final ball and decision making was very poor in the second half. Utterly woeful defending gave them the lift they needed and once they scored we panicked and I don't think any Motherwell fan couldn't see the winner coming for Dundee. Our self destruct button has been off the scale this season. However key influences were the loss of Longello Koutrombis looking like he'd never seen a football Hendry blowing out his arse after 50 mins Set pieces and crosses into the area absolutely pathetic, no pace on the ball and accuracy even worse. Said has all the attributes, except one, his final ball 9 times out of 10 is piss poor but he is still an asset. Substitutions changed nothing it was like for like, although SOD was an improvement on Koutrombis We are poor up front and that with a self destruct defence / keeper are killing us. With all that said we were unlucky that AP didn't score in the second half as bad as we were. Much is also being made about the fact we've only won one game out of 8 and its a fair point. However if we look at the league table no one from Hibs down to Livingston have won more than 2 games. Quite an incredible stat. Its little wonder a very average Hearts team look like potential League winners cos they can score goals. Very frustrating but for self destruction our play would merit us being where Hearts are. We need to start kicking on soon or we could get dragged down to a position our play doesn't merit and that would be a shame. By time the Liv gam comes Ill be back to normal but if we lose that the manager will sadly start to feel the heat. Anyway ramble over.....

Who will earn the right to play football?

Agree.