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VAR checks every goal scored regardless of what the linesman says. I don't have any issue with factual interpretations - my suggestion is the law needs to be changed to revert to the spirit of it. You could still either be on or off; just use different criteria. Actually, I'd prefer to ditch VAR, but if we are stuck with it, the laws need to adapt to keep up with the technology.
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Justs header was definitely offside to the naked eye when it was replayed. The first one was very close, but the linesman gave it, so VAR wasnt a factor. Offside decisions don't need to be clear and obvious, you're either onside or you aren't. Whether the cameras are good enough is a different question, but the lines are consistent at each ground at least. As soon as you move away from the factual decisions for offside you would get all sort of stupid interpretations, like with all the other var decisions. It would be better if we just didn't have it at all.
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Motherwell v Dundee United 29/10/2023
FirParkCornerExile replied to SteelmaninOZ's topic in Club Chat
Correct the pace on that pitch today was ridiculously slow. Whilst not to blame for every intercepted pass it certainly played a part. -
Motherwell v Dundee United 29/10/2023
FirParkCornerExile replied to SteelmaninOZ's topic in Club Chat
We will but from what I saw today Utd we're far from convincing against St Mirren and lucked out with the refs decisions. It will be a hard hard game but if we have any aspirations we need to win games like this. The return of Slattery is a major bonus. If we play like we can and do it over 90 mins there's no reason why we can't win. - Yesterday
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That's yet another weakness. The minimum number of required cameras is a joke. I'd also argue the offside rule isn't fit for purpose now VAR is being used. It was designed to prevent teams sticking a player in the box for 90 minutes and punting long balls to them. It wasn't intended to rule out goals when someone's big toe is half a centimetre ahead of the defenders's big toe. But that is a different discussion.
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Agree with that Joe. Given the degree of inaccuracy and uncertainty built into our budget system you'd think that the VAR operators would not place too much weight on very tight offside calls unless they're "clear and obvious". But, that's not how they're using it.
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I think the VAR technology can provide the angles to draw the lines. But we paid for the cheap version with less cameras which, by definition will be less accurate. It therefore stands to reason that, with very tight decisions like today's, its hard to have confidence in its accuracy. So although it isnt a subjective thing, the "clear and obvious" is still a fair shout......
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The win today should take a bit of the pressure off and being back on the grass should allow us to be a bit more free flowing again. Hopefully Longelo is ok, although I would be just as happy to rest him for the semi final if required. Everyone else should be fitter and sharper as a result of todays run out. Im not convinced United are all they are cracked up to be. Decent, yes. Beatable, certainly. Id take a draw, but 3 points would be magnificent for the teams confidence ahead of Saturday.
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Yeah, agree. I think the editing process will generally mean we don't get to see the real us. Highlights tend to focus on the lead-up to shots on goal / goals, but a lot of our intricate passes (lovely to watch as it is) doesn't actually lead to that.
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VAR has no business ruling on offside decisions until there are at least two correctly placed cameras on both sides of the pitch.
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Agreed, the referee today was abysmal. Extremely weak. He allowed Livi players to come through the back on multiple occasions without any caution. At one stage 3 players had a go at Maswanhise and no cards dished out. Your point about the simulated injuries is spot on. This behaviour is so frustrating as a fan at the game, this sort of behaviour really needs to carry some form of punishment.
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I thought Stama took the PK and scored? 🤣🤣🤣
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Yes, if you believed the highlights, then Livi were all over us in the first half which they weren't.
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Yes, we certainly will, but I expect that we will on a good grass surface. That pitch today was very slow. Every time the ball bounced it died. Terrible surface.
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Yeah, very disappointed with Sportscene coverage not showing the VAR lines for either offside "goal".
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I thought he was very inconsistent and weak. Livi committed 3 fouls in the first 3/4 minutes alone and its easy to see why they top the league's crime count. Despite Livvy players escaping cards for several bad fouls, it was odds on we'd collect the first card and lo and behold we did. The lad who suddenly went down injured after a long VAR delay and just as our penalty was about to be taken was clearly at it and everyone but Nick Walsh could see it.
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Did the linesman not give it as offside, so VAR would only overturn it if it was clearly onside, nothing was clear.
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Yes just watched the highlights. Both offside decisions were very very tight. As for the first I thought at the time that Just was well offside but on TV it looked as though he was just on. Millimetres in it and certainly not clear nor obvious. VAR rerefereeing the match.
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Yes ward done good 👍
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Yes, despite all our pretty football and possession, Livingston created more chances than we did. They were deservedly ahead at the break and had we gone in 2/3 goals down, we couldn't have complained.
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Absolutely. Time and again we broke up the park, but dithered on the ball and failed to pick out one of our lads running into space or only did so, once he was covered. An early pass would have caught defenders out.
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Whilst I agree with your statement, I absolutely do not believe the technology used in Scotland can prove this beyond doubt.
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We’ll need to play a lot better than today if we’re going to win this one. Looking forward to it mind you.
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Yes, we will win.