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Let's just ensure we pump them tomorrow that will be the best and simplest GIUY to SK and Killie.

I liked Kettlewell as manager more than most and I think there's a kernel of truth there about how our fanbase treat managers- but on a whole the way he left was more disingenuous and self-serving than anybody else in my time supporting Motherwell.

Is that a personal assumption or is there any further info we could start a rumour with?🤔

Great post I totally agree, the 3 competitions are set up for one purpose only to make the rich powerful clubs and UEFA even richer its a corrupt shambles. Don't make the CL groups don't worry you can have a go in the EL oh and if you fail there you get a 3rd go in the conference its nonsense. I've enjoyed many European adventures with Motherwell and I hope to have a few more but that will be nigh on impossible if clubs like Hibs. Hearts, Aberdeen, Dundee untd etc are successful, making the group stages etc and earning wads of cash to make them even stronger. As for the ugly sisters I look forward to them being pumped out of Europe at the earliest opportunity, I support Motherwell and have never understood the "support the Scottish teams" argument at all.

Beat me to it😀. Agree fully.

I don’t think you are warped at all and I get where you are coming from. In many ways I agree. Any time those clubs you mention…especially Celtic and Rangers… get beaten domestically it brightens up my day. My take on Europe is different though. For various reasons I prefer the Scottish clubs to progress… but if any are to fall out early I would preferred it to be either OF. It is Scotland after all. My logic… flawed or otherwise. 1. The better they do the more Motherwell FC are rewarded financially by Uefa. And we are talking a lot of money here. It helps keep us alive and assists growth and investment. 2. I appreciate progress will provide Millions to those clubs. But the huge financial gap will exist regardless of whether they advance in Europe or not. As an example Celtic and Hearts could miss out on Europe entirely for a decade and they would still blow us out the water financially. 3. If the co efficient improves we have a better chance of qualifying and having a pop at the millions available, even for relative failure. Gone are the days of making a loss because you visit Russia and lose out first up. Guarantees are now in place to avoid wee Clubs like us being out of pocket. It also helps the National side…. Clarke aside. And I enjoy my European trips! 4. Qualifying for Europe means something. Not as good as a cup win of course, but it is a win. A success. Just like achieving top six. It is a feel good experience when it happens. Something for fans to celebrate and boast about. And it is refreshing seeing ‘different’ clubs visiting FP. Even a pre season v Hertha was a welcome change. 5. The financial adjustment that needs sorted is the League/TV payout. But Aberdeen scuppered any possibility of fairness. Greed talks and the OF will never support change. Regardless of the fact that such change might just provide Celtic with the domestic challenge they say they need to compete in Europe. The flip side is how enjoyable it is seeing Rangers and Celtic outclassed by average teams from countries that most folk could not find on a map. The upheaval we have seen in their fan base this week is a delight. And I say that having good friends who are ST holders of each of them. My view. It helps Motherwell if Scottish clubs do well. Although I accept that financially it may strengthen our rivals.

Expecting us to sign a left back before end of window...Wilson not in Jens plans!

I think it was a poor choice because Rangers have a very poor record of developing young Scottish talent. They might prove me wrong with Rice, but their recent history is very much throwing money at overseas imports.

Depends if you want to see us in Europe again, or Scotland in a World Cup finals again or attract a better quality of player to the club again. We also get a decent payment from UEFA at the end of the season that's based on how well the Scottish teams perform. Not giving a monkey was anyone thinks abroad of our game is the same attitude the people running our game have had for decades. It's why we are in the dark ages in many aspects. We see JBA as an innovator, when he's really just implementing an approach that modern teams have been using for the past decade. There's a reason we went for foreign managers in our last couple of appointments. I appreciate that the extra cash can give those teams a financial advantage - but it hasn't done them much good in recent years. So on balance, I think it's better for everyone if Scottish teams do well. Although I'm never disappointed to see the OF crash and burn at any time.

Good grief what has fitbaw become.

All some fans have done is turn on him as quick as he turned on us, except we ain’t the liars who whored ourselves out to the Sun newspaper. He lied to try to deflect from his own failings. I’m not saying he deserves verbal abuse on Saturday, but he does deserve all the criticism and heat that’s coming his way.

An excellent signing!

This discussion started in the context of Kettlewell. I've never found the atmosphere at Fir Park particularly intimidating tbh.

"I don't think any players will improve if I only talk in clichés and headlines". 👌 This is getting into marriage proposal territory.

Oh the omens ain't looking good 😂 Rangers out ... Tick Celtic out ....Tick Hibs out ...Tick Aberdeen out ... Tick Man Utd out the Cup ....Tick 5 games gone my way this week a 6th would be unheard of 😱

I’m not sure he made a poor choice. He broke into that Rangers team aged 16. He has been unlucky with injuries and also the constant change of managers at the club. I think an injury free Rice within a stable environment would have played 50 plus games for them. I agree staying at Motherwell would probably have resulted in more performances, but hindsight is a wonderful thing.

We've had worse managers I'll grant you. However it was his behaviour latterly that turned fans against him. I can understand that although I'm of the view that we should do our talking on the pitch not off it. It appears he was abrasive, given the run ins he had with match officials, but being generous you could arguably dismiss that out of hand as simply showing signs of pressure and stress. However, for me, it was the manner of his leaving that rankled me. He criticised our support as a whole in public, although he later rowed back on that. He also made several allegations about personal/family abuse, which, if true, were totally unacceptable of course. However these were never substantiated and were somewhat contradictory. What really got me though was the never ending media circus following his departure; and in particular his "well" timed public presser on the day Michael Wimmer was appointed. I hope you can understand where I'm coming from.

I'm curious about other peoples opinions on this. For the life of me I cannot understand fans of clubs that flirt with European qualification every 5 / 6 years or even longer wanting the regular qualifiers to do well in Europe to improve the co efficient. All an improved co efficient does is put multi millions of pounds into clubs already with a big financial advantage over us and put the OF straight into the league stages and for what ?the scraps of an extra conference place and periodic qualification. An improved co efficient for me hurts clubs like ours , OK we may get into Europe ourselves now and again but that in no way will compensate financially for the money the regular qualifiers get. Our only real hope of success is the domestic cups do we really want to make that harder by hoping another 3 or 4 clubs out with the OF are significantly financially strengthened, over and above the financial gap even as it is now. Had Hibs got through last night they'd have got a minimum of £5 million and potentially £8 million. Same goes for Aberdeen and Dundee Utd had they gone through. Even now 3 of them get another bite of the financial cherry. Am I alone in hoping they all get fucked out as early as possible. Frankly I don't give a monkeys what anyone abroad thinks if our game , they dont go, they don't pay and their opinion changes fuck all on my matchday experiences and never will. When I read social media I feel like I'm the only person whose starting position is fuck the co efficient 😂 . Am I the only one that thinks like this , am I warped 😂

So you don't think we should try and make Fir Park intimidating for opposition teams? 😦

9 man EK win

He was fine until he lied about fan abuse, and continued to tour the media with it, dragging our reputation just to deflect from him being shite.

I don't either. I think it's getting ridiculous. Like seriously. I have more to worry about in my life than that statement when he was leaving or whether he sold his story to the Daily Record. We've moved on and he's moved on I actually think he did really well to keep us up after Hammell went and he deserved the job after that I was talking to someone this week who used to work in the catering side at Fir Park and he couldn't say enough good things about him.

Mmmmmm..... Maybe! 😍😍😍 I think if he hadnt left the way he did most fans wouldnt be overly fussed about the way it played out or his return. But he did that. Nobody else. So whilst I agree with your point in principle (particularly as it was me that called Dougie Imrie our pantomime villain) it is still football, it is still tribal, and most of us are utter hypocrites! My main point about this not getting too heated and personal before the game is that I think it might actually impact negatively on the team ifnit gets too toxic, and I wouldnt want the "feel good factor" that we are experiencing just now to be diminished because of fit. However, ultimately its football. The fans will do what they want to do and theres not a blind bit if difference anyone on here can make of it. Fingers crossed for a great game, a grwat atmosphere and a Motherwell win. Stuart who? 😍😍😍

I just don't get the hatred towards Kettlewell. He saved us from relegation in his first season in charge, there is almost no doubt about that. We got our first league win at Ibrox in many years. He got the best out of KVV, turned Theo Bair into a sellable asset and introduced Lennon Miller to the first team squad. It is generally agreed that he worked his socks off for the club to the point where it all got too much in the end. When the fans turned on him in the last few games ( as they did very vocally) he reacted in kind and made some ill judged decision. It happens with human beings under considerable pressure. Would any one of us want him back as manager of our club? No. Does he really deserve to be slaughtered for contributing to the continued SPFL status of our club, a status that allows JBA to now do his thing? I don't think he does. There were some comments over the last few weeks about Dougie Imrie being the pantomime villain and how tragedy shows how shallow those negative emotions actually are. Do we really need Kettlewell to be another pantomime villain so that we can enjoy the football and feel validated in our opinions?