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Spot on, if there are no other options available then kick it long and clear the danger, it was very poor judgement from Ward that cost us a goal that's probably 4, maybe even 7 points hes cost us so far in just seven games.

Yes, but with only one league win by October, we can’t draw and lose our way to any kind of success this season.

Yeah, the takeaway is 2 fold. 1: Ward to atune his decision making in such situations. 2: Players to be alert to it, communicate and try and find space. Its weird, but we want teams to be encouraged to press us high and commit men as if we get through the line, they are then exposed. The way to frustrate us is probably to sit in and force us to play in front of them. Frustrating and what ifs so far, but we have been on top or at least well in the fight every game this season. We may be making mistakes, but were also giving ourselves a chance.

When you look at expected goal stats score was fair. It's just gutting to throw away 2nd goal and to loose last min goal Mwell average age was 25 and Celtic 27 which is positive.

Ward’s pass didn’t go astray. There was no forward option to a Motherwell player and he played it straight to a Celtic player. That was poor judgement, not a by-product of the style of play, which doesn’t preclude making a sensible clearance when no options are available.

All this chat of get Ward out is so frustrating to read. I would be interested to see how many passes he made in his box while Celtic pushed up to around our 18 yard line, I would guess a fair few. He is being asked to play like this by his manager and is integral to the style of play we now embrace. As soon as he plays it through their press we find gaps and this has been evident in most games this season. Issue is the more you play that move the more chance there is of a mistake happening, which the manager pointed out in his interview. I don’t think Ox can play this way and I would be he would make more mistakes than Ward. It’s the nature of the position that a mistake can lead to a goal, but I don’t think it’s all wards fault. Put it this way if let’s say Welsh made a mistake that led to a goal would we all be jumping on wanting him out the door?

I'm with you on this mate and feel we will learn as most teams will start doing same. I.e putting 5 players up on us at goal kicks. JBA will see this and will develop a play out that will bypass these 5. There must be room elsewhere on pitch if they have 5 to mark our 2cdms and 2 cbs so that will be worked out what to do if this happens again. There is always solutions and I am sure we will find them. As others have said 1st time in years we have gave them a right game and only our lack of subs and 1 bad decision cost us. We are a match for anyone just now and it is great to see. Ps I would keep faith with ward as there is no way ox would give us extra man in playing out from back.

If there's a finite amount of errors from Ward that jba is willing to accept we have not reached it yet. Will it be another 4 or 5 games once we're out the cup and dropped more points?

What a horrible dream I had. Woke up sweating. We were 2-1 up at Parkhead and doing great until a horrendous howler from Ward then an injury time winner for sellik. Thank God that didn't happen............. Awwww nawwwwww 🤪🤪

The press jumped on the Kettlewell ‘story’ because false headlines shift papers, while the truth about Martin doesn’t suit their agenda.

You're spot on. Sevco fans are more important than than Martin though, whilst Kettlewell is more important than Well fans (in the eyes of the media).

Pretty much how I feel.

The luck they always have against us? is it luck. How many times have we lost games against Celtic in injury time over the last few years?

Correct , in any type of play a keeper of ANY standard should be able to deal with that today. He just made an horrendous error of judgement. Sadly too many have been happening to him . The dropped ball against Kilmarnock was not because of our style of play. The two goals against Hearts were not because of our style of play. They were all basic goalkeeping errors. I suspect there will be a finite level of the number of basic errors the manager will accept.

If Ox isnt up to it, its a long time until January if you've burned the only alternative. Im not saying Im happy with the mistakes he has made, but I was more upset about the handling errors in the Hearts and Killie games than today. Not that it makes any difference what any of us think as JBA is going to back him and thats all that counts.

I don’t think it’s an expectation thing, I’d say it’s more to do with players willingness to dig in and do the hard work rather then wait for someone else to do it, our players work rate if a hell of a lot more than theirs and for that we should all be grateful.

Calum Ward's error rate is now unsustainable. Yes, keepers do make mistakes, but there comes a point when it really becomes unacceptable, and thats where we are now. The Ox is now due his chance again. If he proves unreliable then we have to move for a new keeper in the January sales. Goalkeeping errors are now costing us big time.

Kettlewell alleged abuse seems light compared to the awful abuse and thuggery from sevco fans. They tried to stop the bus leaving and Martin needed police escort to leave. If that was well that behaviour would be demonised.

If the pass hadn’t gone astray and got to the intended Motherwell player then Ward would have taken out 5 of the Celtic outfield players with one pass, leaving plenty of room for out midfield and strikes to exploit. Yes it’s risk and reward football which when it works is beautiful but when it goes wrong, like today, horrendous. I’m still a believer in it so won’t get too upset about it. Celtic got the breaks today, FFS their penalty came from a McGregor mis-hit shot that bounced up off the ground. It's all ifs, buts and maybes but they definitely got the luck today.

He also cant train due to injuries. He just looks after himself and turns up on matchdays. All fine as ling as he is playing well. Can just imagine this place if he made a mistake! "What we doing signing a guy who cant train! We shouldnt be a retirement home for former players!"

Dundee let Carson go to Ross county. He was good with his feet and hands. I'm thinking they didn't want him to go to rival club.

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I went for Stamatelopoulos I've been critical of him and I'm still not convinced but he did well today, so credit where its due.

Just watching Sportscene. First half the maswanhise shot from the tight angle. Keeper saves it then think it’s Carter Vickers simply plays it back to him and Schmeichel catches it. Wtf?? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk