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Our stats yesterday were better than the last time Hearts visited in every respect, other than goals, obviously. If you measure the stats from our first 10 league games this season against those from our final 10 under Jens, they almost mirror each other. During both runs, we took 8 points from a possible 30 and lost 18 goals. We've scored 1 less goal this time around. There's clearly more too it than just the numbers, but maybe this was coming, and we chose not to see it.

If we were to take nothing from those 2 , then I think its safe to say it isn't working

Hopefully not sounding too much of a smart arse but surely " we are shite/ pish" is subjective....anyway I am hoping for at least 4 out of 6 points in next 2, masa on bench and sod out of squad.

Seeing highlights and also the injuries and alfred having no luck but granted the buck stops with him. I will take any victory on Wednesday, another defeat really worries me. SALUD

Any kind of win and any kind of goals, flukey or brilliant, needed in this one. If we kick on from there, fair enough.

What part of our passing out from the back, which we did effectively last season, is anything other than slow, ponderous, predictable pish this season? The tactic isn’t the problem. The coaching is. There’s zero intensity, zero rotations, zero urgency. It’s rinse and repeat, followed by a shite long ball that effectively surrenders possession. That’s my objective analysis. I have eyes. We’re shite.

I dont see us losing this one

See the above post for someone looking at things objectively , not sugar coated and then theres yours...but you've got it off yoyr chest, every workplace has characters like yourself, gets awfy tedious, listening to negativity....keep yer pecker up lad.

He’s turned this team into a slow, ponderous, predictable pile of pish.

Normally expect this to be a soulless, turgid shitfest on a tattyfield pitch in cold, horrible weather. But given St Johnstone have improved their pitch and Simo likes his team to play a bit, it might be a free flowing game on a lovely pitch, but ultimately still freezing and soulless. If we perform to the levels of Sunday and cut out the silly mistakes we could win this one. But a point would at least be a start to some sort of recovery.

I thought Sparrow had a very good game defensively and kept McPake very quiet. Levitt was decent in the middle. Manny and Kanga lit up the second half with their partnership. Went for Said though. He just takes the pressure off of our defence and gets us up the pitch with those runs. He also managed to lay the ball offor draw fouls at the right times instead of losing it. He could do without the rolling around the ground nonsense though. Everyone knows he is steong as an Ox. It just looks silly.

Some amount of hyperbole and confirmation bias being applied here. Too many people behaving reactively and judging results rather than performances (I get that results matter and will get managers the sack). But, yesterday was a million miles away from the Aberdeen and Celtic games, where I was genuinely worried that things were unravelling at a rate of knots that might be difficult to stop. Im not saying things are perfect. Im not saying that things cant improve more (they will need to). But I did see enough yesterday to think that there were signs of improvement. I still think we need to be braver on the ball, but yesterday really wasnt the day to be doing that given our previous frailties. If there is unrest in the dressing room, I didnt see many signs of it yesterday. The players all worked hard for each other and put a shift in, even Maswanhise, who has been absolutely toothless going forward worked back to cover Sparrow. Yesterday was absolutely down to individual mistakes. Neither Longelo nor McGhee make any attempt to stop Braga getting a free header for the first, and SOD gives the ball straight to Miller for the second. Neither of those things happen and Hearts dont score. Alfred cant do anything about those incidents. Similarly with Thors chances second half. Considering we were without Fadinger & Lowry yesterday and Koutroumbis and Priestman have disappeared again, I thought yesterdays performance (outwith the errors) was decent enough so I will give the manager some credit there. He now needs to show that level of performance can be applied consistently and the errors eliminated so that the results will follow. If he does that, he will survive this. If he cant, then he will be gone before Xmas.

Agree with you, hearts scored from 2 situations that we wouldn't have , thats what money gets you. With Lowry and Priestman coming back soon, hopefully, things ain't terminal, theres enough good players to give us a chance, most of them seem to be in middle of the park , though I like big seb, with service he will get goals . I'd love big Thor to do well but that was bloody frustrating to do that twice.

Patience with who?

I was pretty encouraged by our performance yesterday. We seemed much better organised at the back, kept the ball better, pressed better, created better chances and the work rate certainly didnt look like the performance of a team that had downed tools on the manager. Was it perfect? No, far from it. But Ive been looking for small improvements, and yesterday, I thought there were many. On the balance of play, I thought we deserved something from the game. We created better & more chances than Hearts and had we taken some of them, I dont think they could have complained too much if we had won the game. Problem is we didnt. Eythor misses 2 guilt edged chances. I get he is rusty, but to not even make clean contact with the ball on 2 occasions is pretty poor. Not sure what the reasoning was for changing Seb out. He didnt look out of running to me and looks far more likely in front of goal. He was unlucky in the first half with his volley. Similarly, the much maligned Sparrow had a very good game against McPake, who was supposed to pull his pants down, but didnt. He looked like he was still full of running and I wouldnt have subbed him out either. SOD then makes the mistake for the 3rd game in a row, making that substitution also look silly. You could argue those 2 changes were on the manager and cost us any chance of getting back in the game, but looking at the bench its hard to see what else he could have done at that point to freshen things up. He did bring on Kanga, and that partnership with Manny looked very promising. Id like to see more of that. Overall, really dispiriting to goes 6 losses on the bounce. We are definitely in trouble re our league position, but it looks far from terminal at this point. We do desperately need to get a result from somewhere though, before we end up bottom and detached from the rest. Teams rarely recover from those situations.

Just out of curiosity, could you quantify that? I’d wager club accounts won’t show anywhere near that figure.

I thought there was signs of improvement today. We looked far better when Kanga came on. My concern is that Alfred seems to be unable to change formation or tactic so managers can work us out easily. Not really sure what the answer is to be honest, feel that I don’t want us to go down the manger merry go round again. He needs to get the balance of the squad right. Something he seems unable to do. Also I feel we need to drop Tawanda and play Lowery in his position.

I wonder if we will all have the same amount of patience when we are playing Hamilton away after our first ever relegation from the SPL.

We disagree then

Stats may be meaningless to you but football is based on it. Why do you think players they wear trackers to plot their effectiveness in areas of the park. That provides stats as to where they are effective. Why are players signed on the based on their stats. Just ask Tony Bloom. Its all about analytics, data and stats. You stick to blind faith.

Telt

Game over. He should be removed now.

This is one of the poorest-coached teams I’ve seen in years. I honestly don’t even know where to start with the analysis and criticism anymore. A home win was absolutely necessary today, and this is what we got.

All season long he's been doing it.