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You would have a point I think if the media weren’t going out of their way to highlight every questionable decision that goes in Rangers favour. But they do. Yesterday’s alone is being described as ‘controversial’ which it was and that’s before you take into account the hysteria over “Penalty to Rangers” a couple of years ago which not very subtly implied that every penalty Rangers get is dodgy and also that they get more penalties than any other side, the latter being easily disproven by facts but that didn’t stop the narrative being pushed.
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Key signing really needs to be a striker. Defensively I think we're OK if we're holding on to Welsh. Also reminding myself that McGhee should be available in January. Be interesting to see if AP leaves in this window. Balmer, Halliday the obvious ones to leave. As much as would like to move on some of the crocks can't see Robinson, Stuparvic, Nicholson going anywhere.
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My point isn’t that officials are secretly plotting every decision to conspire against teams. It’s that the system lets bias run unchecked, especially in big moments. VAR hides subjectivity behind supposed objectivity. Smaller clubs keep getting screwed, and the media only shouts as loud as its viewership, while the same officials face zero consequences because the likes of Collum keep calling things honest mistakes. If nothing changes and the same clubs keep benefiting, it isn’t random or nonsense, it’s cheating in plain sight.
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It looked a stonewaller right enough but this “blatant cheating” and “conspiracy” nonsense is just that. Nonsense. If that really were the case then we simply would not get any decision in our favour in games like these because if that ridiculous theory is to be believed then match officials along with VAR would be so brazen as to look at a decision for us/against them and know fine well what the correct decision is yet decide to give the complete opposite one. Thus opening themselves up to media scrutiny ‘trial by Sportscene’ and in some cases having their reputation and their character dragged through the mud. Any decision that goes in favour of Rangers whether justified or not is poured over, looked at from every possible angle and subjected to a level of scrutiny that decisions involving no other side would get. So why then would match officials willingly put themselves in that position when they know what is coming their way?? I will say this again. Having looked at it it WAS a penalty for us and it should have been given. I don’t know why it wasn’t. But as has been seen all too often decisions by onfield officials and VAR have been inconsistent and in some cases downright baffling. For example, Kofi Balmer’s red card against Kilmarnock last season given by VAR which was subsequently overturned. I didn’t hear anyone stamping their feet and howling about cheating and conspiracies about that.
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On what evidence? Udinese haven’t exactly been flying this season, and Miller has barely had a sniff. Runjaic simply hasn’t given him a proper chance, preferring instead to talk shite about him to the press. Miller needs to move on to get first team minutes, although I suspect he’ll still be an Udinese employee long after Runjaic is gone.
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Aye, but how much did that idiot Kettlewell blow on Stama? More than £200K apparently.
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We all need to accept that VAR simply doesn’t work for smaller teams. In Scotland, when most officials are either biased or incompetent, and subjectivity is allowed to operate a supposedly objective technology, smaller clubs have no chance of being treated fairly. It’s cheating, with the same people acting as judge, jury, and executioner. We won’t get fair refereeing in our game until bigotry and ignorance stop being tolerated, let alone celebrated.
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Apparently same referee gave the rangers a last gasp penalty against dundee utd in the 2 all draw. Saw that funny enough. Even with the new technolegy the officials have got worse. Collum was an awful referee and now he oversees all officials. Someone mentioned we have had six penalties all given by VAR. As the referees missed the offences. Not sure if thats correct, but it would not suprise me.
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That just tells you everything that is wrong with Scottish Football. Everybody (except Rangers fans) can see it was a penalty. Take that same situation up the other end and a penalty would be awarded.
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https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/good-authority-celtic-lose-motherwell-36461921 I hope of course Andy Halliday is right, but have a feeling he should stay quiet On the other hand Hugh Keevins is not the most believable source
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To be fair or more accurate, need them to score. We hit the target a few times yesterday but made it too easy for the goalie to save.
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So what’s our priority? IN goal scorer left back centre back mid fielder (preferably one who can shoot) Out anyone not in JBA plans so we can free up funds to get players JBA wants.
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I thought everyone knew that Rangers VAR doesn't review that kind of incident.
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What I discovered the last time we were discussing this is that there is training compensation up until a player's 23rd birthday, and solidarity payments after that: "Any time a player is transferred while they are under contract, then a solidarity fee is paid to all clubs that trained the player between his 12th and 23rd birthdays at a proportional rate depending on how long the player was at each club." What I hadn't realised is that they continue throughout the players' career. "Solidarity payments do not stop at the player’s 23rd birthday (like the training compensation payments do) but continue through the course of the player’s professional career each time he is transferred while under contract." So as long a fee is paid while they are under contract, even if they are 40 years old, we still receive our cut. Apparently 5% of the transfer fee is used for the distributions.
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As I understand it they should be watching everything. So then decided it wasn’t worthy of review. Could anyone confirm if that’s how it works? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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It’s hard on us coming away from that with no points. Rangers ended up getting a lot of chances towards the end as we flung everything forward. To go to Ibrox and have 55% posession is something I don’t think a Motherwell team has done in a long long time. Keep in mind we also played without our top scorer amd I think Cook coukd also have made a difference. We made enough good chances to where we could have scored at least one goal but as we all know, that is our weakness at the moment. We just have to be hopeful that we can fix that in January but understandable if we have to wait till next season. While it’s a disappointing result, I’m not disappointed in our performance and I think it’s a fair statement to say that Rangers are no better a team than us, so with half the season still to go we still have a lot to play for.
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I’d love to see us get a big commanding CB who also causes opposition defenders a problem at set pieces - one can but dream
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Does anyone know for sure if VAR team reviewed the incident or not. Watching the game on MFCTV I got the impression that they never even reviewed it but that’s just my impression. I was screaming PK when it happened.
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Im pretty sure we are not getting a proven striker but perhaps something along the lines of Beireth, who was talented but was not considered first team material. Or someone who was scoring but now not commanding a first team place. I don’t care if it’s a transfer or a loan, as long as they can come here and score for us.
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Re payments it appears what I was thinking about is a solidarity payment which is distributed as This 5% is then distributed proportionally among all clubs that trained the player between the ages of 12 and 23 There are calls to increase this to 8% aside from that I also came across this from the union of European clubs - whoever they are - which proposes a player development reward which won’t generate much for us at the moment but is a good idea This policy calls for UEFA to allocate at least 5% of its annual Club Competition revenues to a new financial mechanism that would directly benefit clubs that train and develop the players competing in UEFA Club Competitions, regardless of whether those clubs are participating themselves.
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I don't disagree, but I was reading one of those mid-term reports the other day that suggested there were 8 teams in the Premiership that needed to sign a striker in January. So we'll need to be smart to find what we need - especially when you factor in that no team is going to let a productive striker leave them in the middle of the season without a very good reason. I'm not so worried about the "what might have been" as we are still early into the overhaul of our style of play. We have far exceeded my expectations of any rebuild I can remember.
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No. Turnbull was doing fine at Celtic until he was injured. By the time he was fully fit again, the new manager had built a different style of team without him. Cardiff was probably a bad move, though. Miller is highly rated, but that doesn't mean a 19 year old is ready to be a starter in a team in a new country. Arsene Wenger said it took about 6 months for a new player to adapt to a new team in the same league. Longer if they moved to a different country. You can a take a look at teams like Liverpool this season to see how some of their, undoubtedly talented, new signings have struggled. I understand the reasoning, but Miller joining Udinese without a proper pre-season in Motherwell or Italy might have been a rare misstep. While you can never guarantee that a youngster will flourish in later years, Miller looked about as close to guaranteed as you can find. Max Johnston was rated too, and he won a cup and two league titles after he left. So picking the right team and right country also plays a big part.
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That Celtic defence is utter dugmeat. We are going to get plenty of chances to score. Just need our strikers to actually hit the target and we will be golden. Going for 4-1 to us
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Miller struggling at Udinese, and Turnbull now at Cardiff...we hyped these lads up to some tune, both the Club itself and the support. Were we collectively deluded on how good they actually were?
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I’ll need to check but I thought a % of every transfer up to a certain age was split between the clubs that had developed the player.