Great Balls of Shire
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3 hours ago, steelboy said:
I agree with that but all those players are 30 or older by the time the new season starts.
Ach, 30 isn't what it was...wish I was 30 again 😂
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57 minutes ago, steelboy said:
Halliday, Scougall, Easton and Obileye.
They're not the most inspiring rumours at the moment.
Easton and Scougall are definitely skillful players, if SK thinks they can cut it in spl , I've got faith in that ..it's good we are looking at Scottish players from lower leagues
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22 hours ago, wellfan said:
Nicholson hasn’t exactly impressed during his time with us, and I think his contract situation in the States is a little complex, so who knows where that leaves him. He signed a 2.5 year deal until winter 2024 with Colorado Rapids, although he was waived in January which allowed him to sign a short-term deal with us. I'd probably rather have Easton in the Spittal position than Nicholson.
SN has had limited game time , any time I've seen him, he's looked decent
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1 hour ago, 0Neils40yarder said:
600quid a week? I'd be surprised if that's all he is on
He won't be on big money...mind no one wanted to touch him including a lot of our fans and he was a
" project" ....quite ironic we are now having this thread...won't work out but let's give guys a chance before we write them off
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I'm in the well society and it's all well and good but we are going to be standing still , at best,probably going backwards if we don't get some form of investment ...it's for the fans to decide at some point...if they are aware of the pros and cons ,
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12 hours ago, David said:
The thing is, you're in the investment thread talking about how the Well Society has been a success. If you think the team as it is is "dog shit" then you're not going to be any happier next season or the season after if we remain as a fan-owned club.
Because we simply do not have the money to increase spending on players I don't think.
After i've spent a few years posting on here, you get to know folks who are posting for a reaction, nothing makes them happy
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Apparently all the traffic , buses etc were at a standstill last night because of the bother in town. .how could anybody get worked up enough to fight after watching that poor excuse of a game... apologies for sounding like a daily mail reader ...just go home guys or to the pub, folk going about their business can't be arsed with it all
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1 hour ago, steelboy said:
I went to a Well Society meeting years about expanding to a 14 team league with a 6-8 split. At the beginning of the meeting virtually everyone in attendance was against the proposal. Two hours later due to bullshit, lies and spin from Leeann Dempster everyone in attendance apart from three people voted for it. With a straight face she told the meeting that the 12 team league set up with 1 relegation place and 1 playoff place that we have now had for 10 years would put the viability of the club at risk and that auditors would refuse to sign off on our accounts. Time has showed that she was lying through her teeth but in the meeting there was no way to argue against her.
The side in favour of American ownership has the backing of the individuals currently controlling the club and the PR resources they can muster. At the moment no one has stood up and made a case for the fan ownership and what it has achieved over the past seven years. If that continues it's pretty much guaranteed the members will give the club away.
This is as good a place as any to say what the ws has achieved and going forward ( without investment) what it can achieve..
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1 hour ago, dennyc said:
Disgraceful. Clearly the pitch is currently unplayable. But hey, why don't you guys buy tickets and set off anyway and we will tell you whether the game is on or off as you pass Perth. Fans are the lifeblood of the sport and get treated like crap. All because the powers that be did not want to be accused of bias by insisting Rangers and Dundee play midweek before an OF game.
But then it is the Clubs that allow the cretins on the SPL Board to run the show. Nothing changes.
It's nothing new that fans are treated shoddily , we only fund the game.
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17 hours ago, Kmcalpin said:
This is down to the SPFL and Dundee. We are the innocent party here. Its not down to incompetence. We're simply pawns in a "bigger game". With the final pre split games fast approaching the SPFL could easily have scheduled Dundee's outstanding game against Sevco for last midweek. That would have left next midweek free for contingencies. What's the problem with that you might reasonably ask? It all seems very logical. However Sevco have a game on Sunday against guess who? Celtic no less. Therefore the SPFL had to give them a free midweek. Preferential treatment?
As for Dundee, as Falkirk did years ago, they prioritised playing budget over pitch renovation.
Why should we suffer?
Nb. Thousands of complaints about sectarian hatred at Sunday's OF game, under the Hate Crime Act, but no action taken by Police Scotland.
I wouldn't want to be a call handler for police on Sunday and listen to all the tedious nonsense...
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1 minute ago, Mccus28 said:
Do you ever take a positive spin on ANYTHING.....................Jesus Christ, utter misery at every turn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's easier to pick holes in everything then when it eventually doesn't work , you can say I was right...
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2 hours ago, Dee said:
There's quite a lot to unpack there, some which I agree with and some which I don't.
Let's start with where I do agree - in an ideal world it would be excellent to have our own training facility and the stadium needs modernised to an extent to make corporate days and hospitality more appealing. Both fair comments.
Where I believe your argument falls down is the Dundee United comparison. Firstly, Dundee United are a much bigger club than Motherwell. Their average match-day attendance is almost double ours and their wage bill sits at £6.9million - significantly higher than ours. On top of that their recent annual accounts reported a £5m loss - up from £1.9m the year before - before player sales were taken into account. This all going on whilst under American ownership. In the 5 years under American ownership, United have experienced, as you rightly point out, relegation, they've had 6 different managers, protesting fans and have spent upwards of £10 million.
Said American owner has continued spending and most worryingly has done this with an interest free loan against the club. I couldn't tell you the current total but a couple of years ago their accounts listed that the club owe said investor over £9m. How will they ever pay this back? Certainly a worrying situation.
To quote a 'Well fan journo who penned this in a previous Herald article about United;
"Wealthy benefactor? Check. Money being ploughed in? Check. Wages wildly exceeding turnover? Check. Careening through managers? Check. Success? That cheque is still in the post."
Now I know this thread is very much about Motherwell with the figures of our deal and details of the investors still to be presented to the wider fanbase, but it's certainly worth noting that not one American investor has brought notable success since they put their money into a Scottish football club. That success may come, but it's not guaranteed.
And I'm not here to convince anyone that we shouldn't be entertaining any external investment, far from it. I think it's important we listen to all credible offers that come our way. I'm also not comparing the deal on the table at Fir Park to that at Dundee United, I'll wait until we all know the full facts. But I think it's hugely important to have a serious think about what our red lines are.
What do we value the football club at? What percentage of control would we be willing to relinquish and for what cost? What does any investor want to gain from putting their money into Motherwell FC?
I must admit I hadn't even thought about Dundee Utd, that's where the due diligence would need to be spot on
Hopefully we wouldn't be signing forwards on between 4 and 8 k per week...it was ridiculous they were relegated with the wage bill they had.
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1 hour ago, Kmcalpin said:
The same could be said for many aspects of life such as juries and elections but we do live in a democratic society and thank goodness for that. We're a Jock Tamson"s bairns as they say. Everyone is entitled to a say.
Good point but with juries, elections , the " facts" are laid out and people choose which way to go, we have no facts at minute, just rumours in a website
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10 minutes ago, steelboy said:
So we are underperforming by out massively out performing Dundee United, Dunfermline and Falkirk?
You've not been near Fir Park in years but know exactly what the Society are doing wrong?
Nae bother mate.
But you're always telling us what a poor team/ mgr we have
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1 hour ago, Mintymac said:
Executive board seem to be doing what any other business would do in this type of negotiations.
outwith football Jim McMahon im sure has a knowledge of how this all works and I’m relatively relaxed .with how things are progressing .
For me a simple update is sufficient at this stage and as a £10 month Well Society member I’m not sure why I’d need to now much more at this stage of the negotiations or how my complete lack of knowledge on how these things work by throwing in my tuppence/thoughts would help proceedings
Why don’t we just wait and see what the proposals are when finalised , see what the executive board recommend following these discussions then based on all that vote whatever way you think is best for the club going forward .
That tends to be how things work in any walk of life and as far as I can see this is no different .
Ok I get the anxiety some people may have at this stage about updates and info etc etc but that’s how business transaction’s/dealings tend to work .
Im sure the executive board said they would be using a specialist /legal team to pour over the detail to prevent us being bitten or words to that effect
Dont think I need to know much more that that at this stage tbh .
So for the next 6 weeks think we need to be patient . It’s not that long to wait tbh .
Well said, my thoughts too.
Can you imagine some of the folk on here involved in the negotiating, potential investors would turn and walk away
It's all down to the figures, if it's a relatively small investment for relatively small control, I don't see an issue
If we want to stand still and probably regress as a team, we can reject ,the wsmodel doesn't work, that fact has been done to death
Its fine picking holes in every plan but if there is nothing better out there?
Personally mid table or worse isn't very entertaining any more , a lot of people must feel that way, if the attendance is anything to go by
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1 hour ago, steelboy said:
And who's fault is that 3 months in we know fuck all?
When there is something to know, presumably they will let us know but at minute you're guessing
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2 hours ago, steelboy said:
30% of the club for £300k?
The club is easily worth £8-9m.
You've put a question mark , so that's just a guess?
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3 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said:
if they are not wanting a majority control its surely £300,000 a year we currently don't get. Certainly for that level of investment I wouldn't expect much control to be ceded to them.
That's my understanding, how much control for that figure? If it's something minimal, is there a great risk? We cant really afford to not consider 300k.
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12 minutes ago, steelboy said:
The rumour going about is that they only want to put in £300,000 a year for five years and are talking about bringing in more investors later.
Society members would need to be stupid to vote for that. Any credible buyer would pay what the club is worth.
It also has to be questioned why the Society are still fundraising when this is moving forward
Less money in less risk if things don't work
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20 hours ago, Shrews Exile said:
There is no public proof. We had our accounts released last week. We lost £3m last year. £800K over budget and circa £500K unusual admin costs. Brian left days before the season ended and then we also sacked the manager who gave us ur 2nd highest finish on over 30 years. Both were like heroes up until their sudden departures, Something catastrophic went wrong, I only posted to question your clubs due diligence. I would have thought just a phone call to our club might have been all it took but just concerned thats all. As I say I wish you good luck. There was quite a lot of speculation on a Shrewsbury message board but I cannot remember the name but it's the biggest one and there is something very recent about the accounts.
If this is just conjecture bud, you shouldn't be posting it...your conjecture isn't even joined up thinking
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Just now, Great Balls of Shire said:
It's Scotland, we are world champion booers...booo
Tbf, that's as bad as I've seen us in a while...Def the worst v st mirren...first 10 mins ok and then couldn't keep the ball in the park
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2 hours ago, mio said:
Folk booing already 🤦♂️ guys who go to games and boo at our own team/players are mentally deficient (imo)
It's Scotland, we are world champion booers...booo
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2 hours ago, wellfan said:
He shouldn't be in the squad, let alone starting, without regular first-team club football.
Fair point, suppose he's done a job in the past for Scotland but his confidence must be shot ...give the Scotland fans someone/something else to boo
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14 hours ago, Alpha1886 said:
After Patterson’s performance last night, SOD should cancel any summer holidays and prepare for a recall. The ex-R##### made more errors in each half of the game than SOD made in total in all his appearances. But haven’t heard mention of it anywhere.
It was mentioned plenty ..the guy is very rusty and won't play if hickey is fit ..
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It's all just rumours anyway but I'd rather have a good older player than a so so younger one ...looks like Slattery will be off...I might be in minority but Davor still has a bit to go for me...maybe a full pre season will help