steelboy Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 I love Hammell, he's been an excellent servant to Motherwell over the years and a consistent performer. However with no disrespect to him I wouldn't break the bank to keep him. Now this isn't just about Hammy, I wouldn't want Motherwell to do so for any player but especially one in his 30's with no possible sell on value. I'm sure Motherwell will offer him the best contract possible(and a testimonial, an extra cash incentive). If he thinks he can get more money elsewhere then best of luck to him, no ill feelings from me. However at his age, as a man with a young settled family, in today's financial climate a long term contract and security is always going to be an appealing option. he is 30. not that old at all he's got another 4 seasons in him at least which is a long time in football. Guys like Hammell, Lasley and Craigan are worth their weight in gold to Motherwell. They know exactly what it means to play for us and should be treated accordingly. I heard that they were instrumental in keeping everyones heads up after Broon shafted us last year. Would be a travesty if they were allowed to leave over something like this. I don't imagine they are being unreasonable. 100% you only have to look at what has went on at hibs and aberdeen recently to see what happens to clubs that don't have the right kind of characters in the dressing room and very little commitment to the club. craggs will probably bow out next week and las might only have one more season in him. hammell earns his money on the park as he is incredibly consistent but i don't think you can put a value on the leadership our senior players have provided over the last couple of years. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Bezzer! Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 Other clubs, with the exception of Celtic haven't had as successful a season as us so should we really be using them as a yardstick? Qualifying for the Champions League surely means that we should be ahead of the rest? Hearts got to the Scottish Cup final, which if you believe Stuart McCall, is worth a lot more than European qualification and they are letting experienced first team players go like you wouldn't believe. There is also going to be something of a mass exodus at Dundee Utd in the summer. Those two teams are probably our closest challengers at the moment and they are significantly downsizing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamH Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 Not really a good comparison when you consider that both those teams are downsizing in order to reduce debt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaka Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 What I cant understand is that last season saw us reach top 6, 1 cup semi + 1 cup final, sell Reynolds and downsize the squad for the 5th time in 7 years, and now this season we have posted a £500k profit (the 3rd profit in a row) are finishing 3rd,champions league qualifiers and our average attendance has risen by 500 per game and STILL our squad will shrink? What the fuck is going on at our club? Will this beancounter Weir not be happy till we have only 11 senior players and the rest of the squad is made up from the u-17 + u-19 teams? Oh and the new tv deal for next year is 35% more(it will happen,Rangers will not be allowed to drop from the SPL) than the previous deal so our tv income will increase by 35% next year (assuming the money splits stay the same) and be at that level for 5 years so how in gods name can we not afford to offer guys like Hammell,Las,Jenno a fair deal? and what the fuck are we going to replace them with? weve seen how shite we are when Las+ Jennings are missing, we now face the very real possibility both will be missing next year,replaced by u-19s or some nobody from the highland league, We have an incredible opportunity to build a fantastic foundation for the future of our club with just a little belief and foresight. Yes the champ league qualifiers wont make a lifechanging amount of cash but you can guarantee a full house @ Fir Park paying at least £20 a head (£200k+ profit) plus the game on a tv format of some kind so its not chicken feed we will be playing for, if we win we will make a lot more getting a "glamour tie" and if we lose we drop into the Europa League qualifiers where we will have a great opportunity to reach the group stage and the £4m or so that comes with that. Not only this, but Rangers will be banned from Europe for the 2 seasons after next as well. Add this to Hearts downsizing considerably and Utd downsizing both due to their debt and we have a great chance for regular european football and maybe even regular champions league qualification (do scotland have 2 champ lge places for those 2 seasons?) In what should be a joyous occasion we should be celebrating but instead were treated to the Usual McCall "rangers will pump us" pish, and news the players will be rewarded for 2 fantastic seasons with paycuts if they want to stay,what a way to burst a bubble eh 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Bezzer! Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 Not really a good comparison when you consider that both those teams are downsizing in order to reduce debt. I think the point is that long term they are trying to become profitable or at least not produce much debt season on season. In that regard we are in the same boat. Also Dundee Utd, like ourselves, have a very small squad and are reducing it further. If other teams are cutting playing squads to perhaps 18 first team pros and jettisoning all high earners then it's inevitable we will have to do the same in the long run. I think over the next couple of seasons we are going to see squads really cut to the bone with no teams excepted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 Clarkson is still getting treatment at Bristol to recover from his injury. Won't be easy picking up a good deal in his situation. I see in The Herald today that Butcher is keen on getting Clarky to Inverness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onthefringes Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 1336216563[/url]' post='340358']I see in The Herald today that Butcher is keen on getting Clarky to Inverness. He was keen to get Black back from Hearts yesterday... I'd discount that also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 He was keen to get Black back from Hearts yesterday... I'd discount that also Wee bit of a difference though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haggischomper Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 Not really a good comparison when you consider that both those teams are downsizing in order to reduce debt. We've been told we will make a loss next year so us offering lower contracts isn't much of a surprise. Plus, I would think the lower price would be the start point for negotiations, for the club. Doesn't mean that is what the player will get Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 Playing down our finances in public is also good business sense as it means players/agents will have lower expectations as to how much money they can worm out of the club. If we come out and say that we have more money now than we had budgeted on the agents would be rubbing their hands in anticipation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 The fact we're signing new contracts indicates we'll be voting newco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted May 6, 2012 Report Share Posted May 6, 2012 Shaka, I think there's only one champs league spot after next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maplewell Posted May 6, 2012 Report Share Posted May 6, 2012 Shaka, I think there's only one champs league spot after next season. correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted May 6, 2012 Report Share Posted May 6, 2012 I heard that big Crags is hanging up the boots at the end of the season. Seems like the kinda guy that would play as long as he can but maybe his recent injury is more of a problem than was first thought. His recent performances on TV & radio suggest he's greasing the wheels to join the "in crowd" we have in the Scottish media. He's been a great servant to the club, and I love him as a player, but I have a feeling my respect for him is going to take a hit every time he appears on the telly or radio over the coming years. If it came down to offering him another year or tying up Clancy, I'd take Clancy every time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fat_tony Posted May 6, 2012 Report Share Posted May 6, 2012 If it came down to offering him another year or tying up Clancy Hammell/Lasley, I'd take Clancy Hammell/Lasley every time. Not that I wouldn't want us to keep Clancy, I think we should if possible. But if Craigan goes, the first priority has to be making sure we keep hold of Lasley and Hammell. These guys are the heart of our team and while we shouldn't break the bank, we certainly shouldn't be giving them cause to consider other options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
postiejim Posted May 6, 2012 Report Share Posted May 6, 2012 Craigan, one of our best servants in recent years but a bit like myself in that his best years are now behind him. Clancy came in and wasn't much fancied at the time but has won over most of the support , yes he makes mistakes but hey, who doesn't. Get Clancy signed up . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Stall Posted May 6, 2012 Report Share Posted May 6, 2012 Not that I wouldn't want us to keep Clancy, I think we should if possible. But if Craigan goes, the first priority has to be making sure we keep hold of Lasley and Hammell. These guys are the heart of our team and while we shouldn't break the bank, we certainly shouldn't be giving them cause to consider other options. Got to agree with tony there, if craigans away then we really want to be keeping lasley& hamill. From everything you read&hear about our team, we have a great team spirit, no doubt held together by these 3senior players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Diggle Posted May 6, 2012 Report Share Posted May 6, 2012 Anybody in the know know if a Craggs announcement will be made ahead of Sunday's game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfc Posted May 7, 2012 Report Share Posted May 7, 2012 crystal palace are being linked with murphy again according to the daily mirror Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoshi-1991 Posted May 7, 2012 Report Share Posted May 7, 2012 Wouldnt be supprised if craggs stuck around for the Champions League, its pretty much the only thing missing from his CV. Wouldnt balme him and wouldnt grudge him it either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milo Posted May 7, 2012 Report Share Posted May 7, 2012 Not that I wouldn't want us to keep Clancy, I think we should if possible. But if Craigan goes, the first priority has to be making sure we keep hold of Lasley and Hammell. These guys are the heart of our team and while we shouldn't break the bank, we certainly shouldn't be giving them cause to consider other options. Totally agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grant Posted May 7, 2012 Report Share Posted May 7, 2012 Whats the story with jennings contract? Is it up this summer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grant Posted May 7, 2012 Report Share Posted May 7, 2012 Are we actually trying to sign him up or just resigned to losing him. Can't imagine he'd want to miss out on CL football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted May 7, 2012 Report Share Posted May 7, 2012 Not that I wouldn't want us to keep Clancy, I think we should if possible. But if Craigan goes, the first priority has to be making sure we keep hold of Lasley and Hammell. These guys are the heart of our team and while we shouldn't break the bank, we certainly shouldn't be giving them cause to consider other options. Trying to keep both Hammell & Lasley is a no-brainer really. I was saying that if it came down to a choice between Craigan for another season or Clancy, it would be Clancy all day long as far as I'm concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Posted May 7, 2012 Report Share Posted May 7, 2012 Surely this discussion is a null point to those who are going to walk away if a newco get in. If rangers are out, I doubt we can offer hammell lasley or jenno reasonable deals. We should be resigned to a youth team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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