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I find the whole Kelly debate quite boring. Theres too many posters with entrenched positions digging in for the long haul rather than engaging with any meaningful debate. Kelly was a good keeper once. He hasnt been for some time. He doesnt come of his line which leaves us vulnerable at set pieces and his distribution is awful. He is far from the worst keeper we've ever had, but also far from the best. Looks like he is signing for Rangers and we can get his rather substantial wages off the wage bill. Might free up some money for better defenders to better protect the next incumbent.

Glad to hear you are all signed up, @Richie. Thank you for taking the plunge. The good news is that you will be joined on the glorious Fir Park turf by Jamie Murphy and Richard Tait on Friday evening. The last few spaces are now available at the Society's EventBrite page: https://t.co/OghlXXwNus

He was a major part of a defence which kept 3 clean sheets in 41 games. He's not good enough and we need the wages for new players. Age is undefeated. If it wasn't Tommy Coyne and Faddy would still be playing for us.

Good idea. @SteelmaninOZconsider this your own personal thread for your random video posts.

I can't wait til the retained list comes out this thread is going to be hot lol.

31 years old and pish. Ticks all the boxes for Kettlewell.

Could all of these seemingly random videos maybe be posted in the one thread?

Anyone claiming he’s the worst we’ve ever had is talking nonsense. He has been a decent servant to the club and helped us out of a sticky patch during the covid season. He had an excellent first 18 months with the club. His form has since fallen off a cliff and in my opinion he’s been lucky to keep his place in our starting 11. Hope he has a shite time at Rangers.

I also personally think that clean sheets don't matter that much. Livi Ross County and St Johnstone had more clean sheets than us but we finished higher. And Kelly was outstanding for us in a couple of big games. When we beat Rangers and the draw at Parkhead. His clean sheet stats were much better for us in previous seasons. So clearly the dip in form for the defence must have contributed.

None of that to do with the defence in front of him, then? I mean, we all know Kelly was a very good keeper at points for us. Are we thinking he's suddenly "shite"? Or, as is most likely the case, he's been playing with a sub-standard defence? I remember certain individuals on this forum claiming that Kelly would be lucky to get an offer from another Premier League club. Looks like he's been in the thoughts of two fairly prominent ones. Despite "3 clean sheets in 38 games."

He'll really be hoping we sign Joe Lewis.

https://x.com/barrymaguire98/status/1792950682678448371?s=46&t=Yi0H3LakxlXxc5QEsuI9Ug No surprise but Barry Maguire announces that he leaving after 9 years Good luck for the future Barry.

Doncaster away, Saturday before season starts was mooted on Sunday

Don’t expect it’ll be a Twente first team otherwise they’d have secured the elusive Nijmegen friendly. Word from across there is that match may behind closed doors even at the local sports facility for similar reasons the first friendly last year was moved venue.

Because clearly he's on the road to recovery and the club probably want to do the decent thing by him. Anyway - it's all rumour at this stage because the official list isn't out yet.

Kelly apparently signed Pre contract with Rangers https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/12721108/rangers-liam-kelly-motherwell-goalkeeper-transfer/?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=ScottishSunSportTwitter&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1716299236-1

Yeah, I'd certainly be looking for an avenue to be asking questions of the Exec Board/Club/Directors as a private shareholder, so I would absolutely expect the same avenue for members of the WS. You latter point is absolutely spot on, too. English football will burst at some point; it almost did with the Super League proposals and, frankly, that will come around again and with other American ownership coming in (and FIFA/PL announcing the possibility of domestic games being played abroad) it will just continue to become more and more of a circus. There's a few basket case clubs already, see Everton, Forest etc.

On this, I'd hope there's a good number of Society members who do exactly that and then pass any concerns or questions on to the Society board, who can then go about getting those questions answered. Perhaps even via a video Q&A? Maybe hoping for a bit too much there though. Me too. We've simply come too far and have secured a position as a fan group that countless other club's fanbases would kill to have. We can't throw that away based on short-term thinking. I'd hope when the arse eventually falls out of the English league (and it will, that model isn't sustainable long-term) and the aftershock affects certain clubs up here who are operating outside of their means, we are still standing as a fan-owned club.

Thanks for sharing. I made a YouTube channel with a ton of old videos mostly highlights of different game. I have lots more to get converted but it takes forever. https://www.youtube.com/@motherwellnet/videos

How do you know this? Someone on pie and bov I believe who is a journalist said Kelly wasn't offered a new deal.

Point 1. Piffle. Look at the bigger picture. Point 2. Stating the obvious. To the best of knowledge, that’s not his end game. Point 3. Those making it clear they want out - you do realise current board cannot sell out despite their best endeavours to do so? The narrative being peddled by Society board members misguided or not is exactly that.

It's only taken 2 days from season end to start slagging of players we haven't signed. Sounds like a good time to stop reading this thread and just wait for the formal announcements from the club.

If you want to see what multi-millionaires can do to a club, look at Man Utd. They bought everything without investing a penny of their own money, award themselves huge wads of cash every year while leaving the club servicing huge debts at high interest rates - debts that are secured by the clubs assets; not by the owners' assets. I'm not saying that is what will happen here, but there are ways to invest in a club and there are "ways" to invest in a club. As I've said before, the most important thing for me is the exit plan. What is going to happen when the investor leaves, runs out of money or gets bored? Are they going to take their money and run, will they sell to a property developer or will they leave a self-sustaining (or at least healthy) infrastructure behind.

Have signed up for RB. Hopefully not up against a pacey winger lol

They are selling the last places at discounted rate 😉

So he's going to make a docuseries that's going to magically increase the value of his production company. To a far greater level than the money he's investing in us. But he's not investing in us - he's getting the club for free? (No he's not). BTW. He's a multi millionaire - I don't think he needs to do a docuseries on Motherwell fc to get him a few more quid in the bank. 🙄

Yeah, I do too and that's why I've taken a particular interest in things (aside from being a shareholder). We regularly look at ROI, IRR, NPV etc. on spend over a much longer term than you would for a football club in my line of work though (20-40 years, as I work in shipyard design), so I guess this will be over a far smaller window and a bit out of my understanding. I think that's why I want to see/hear more about the ideas behind it; there may well be something unique in the proposals coming from Barmack - there's no reason why it couldn't succeed, even if it's a different approach to the more traditional investment models we've seen in football. I think his track record in developing sports documentaries certainly gives things a different angle; you'd find it difficult to argue that Drive To Survive hasn't increased interest in and the resulting revenues of Formula 1. I'm still skeptical of it all, I agree, but there's a degree of intrigue that I just can't shake from it all. The devil, as ever, will be very much in the detail if/when it's provided to WS members and shareholders. Like I said on another post, though, I would be looking for some safeguards to be put in place on buying back shares/the WS having first refusal, should he want to pull out for whatever reason in a few seasons/years time. There is also another consideration; that Barmack may well want to make a return, but over a fairly longer period of time and make things a real partnership between him and the Well Society/fan base to develop the club and its potential exposure to new markets/revenue streams etc. Again, it's all just speculation until we know details.

I’m the same. Neither option really captures how i feel. I’m sort of neutral neither “satisfied” or “not satisfied”

One word: "meh"

This thread should be re-titled: ‘Irascible happy-clappers vs doom-mongers’

Was thinking he should be picking the teams and managing one of them.

Seems only fair then that there should also be a topic on here just for the MFC players to use screen names and comment on the folks playing 😀

I don't think that would be a pre contract given that his contract with us is up at the end of May.