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I don't sit with the Well bois/block e sometimes they are great and sometimes they annoy me but overall they do bring a bit of atmosphere, therefore I would say I sit on the fence. What I do agree with is the attitude of a club employee who seems to think he runs the club and I think his influence and opinions rub off on other staff members, he maybe needs a sit down and told he isn't Robocop and he is now speaking to paying customers who's attendance is crucial to the future of the club.

Can we make it two in row? Big away support for this one? Will the skipper score another goal? Funny thing is I will be in Perth next weekend …..the one on the far side of the world Perth Western Australia…. COYW

I don't think it's overshadowing yesterday's game. I haven't seen it mentioned in the media, and it's only a small number of posters discussing. Regardless, I'd propose a 2 step solution: Step 1. If you're a fan and behaving like a ned, stop it. Step 2. If you're a club official and overstepping your authority, stop it. Now that's done I'm off to sort out the cease-fire talks in Cairo.

What "house rules" have the individuals who have been banned broken then? If someone is responsible for smashing up seats, fighting in the East Stand, or something along those lines, then fine, issue a ban. I don’t think that has happened, though? The issue I have with your analogy, and others have done the same, is that you're using examples where abuse was hurled at someone in the stadium, or some sort of "house rule" was broken in the stadium. This isn't the case. If you left a Motherwell game and then got accused of getting into a tussle with some wank who supported the opposing team in a pub two miles from the ground, would you accept a ban? A crime that is hardly worthy of a slap on the wrist if you do it on a Saturday night in the town, but deems having you treated like a gun-toting gangster if you happen to have just left a football game? You’re right, though; a ban should not be based on a criminal conviction. But if that’s the case, why does the club issue such bans based on the police charges? That was precisely why these bans were put in place. It only makes sense that if the club issues a ban based on police charges, it should then lift the ban and issue an apology when the charges are dismissed. "Mistakes happen, no issue there." Well actually, there is an issue there. A pretty fucking big one. There's absolutely no way that should be glossed over. Some poor lad wrongly accused, put through the stress of what that entails and when it's proven he wasn't even in the country it's just a case of "mistakes happen, no issue there?" Not for me.

So the most likely outcome is Ryan Jack and Vale? I'd rather have the Blackpool guy on loan as a striker than Vale who is a grafter but doesn't have much impact on games. Scotland u21 international Josh Adam left Man City and was originally linked with clubs with in Germany and France but nothing happened. He's getting linked with Wrexham now but he could be an option for us as an attacking mid.

It would be better still if he moved to the Vailey. That would make us happy.

considering the damage Celtic fans do on every visit there should be hundreds banned.

These are the games we need to be winning to consolidate on a great 3 points from Hearts, if we play as well as we did on Sunday we'll win.

Good move for the wee man. Signing for the manager that took him to Luton in the first place. Hopefully signifies more game time and potentially a move next year. Fingers crossed for him.

That indicates that its an issue that requires open debate and discussion. A range of different views have been raised so far. Just a pity that it's overshadowing yesterday's game but it is what it is.

Pretty much 3 pages worth of this

The threshold for securing a criminal prosecution and the threshold for a Club issuing a banning order will always be different. And that is only common sense and takes into account various factors..... age of the offender, nature of the offence, repeated offending, public interest, cost etc etc. Evidence can exist that justifies exclusion even if it does not lead to a subsequent prosecution. I could quite easily hurl abuse at McMahon and his pals, and believe me of late I have been very tempted. No doubt I would be ejected and banned. Quite rightly so. But I certainly would not be prosecuted. Not so much at Fir Park, but anybody who attends away matches regularly sees behaviour from Motherwell fans that is unacceptable. Many fans are afraid to comment or intervene for fear of reprisal. What was the phrase used in previous debate on this subject " Snitches get Stitches". Not just pyro stuff but also abuse of stewards and sometimes fellow fans. You can add objects being thrown on to the pitch, the occasional visit to the pitch area and confrontations with opposition fans before or after games. in previous discussions I detailed incidents I have witnessed first hand, only to be shouted down and told those incidents just did not happen. "Nothing to see here". I expect the same response to this post, from the same folk. The Thistle drum incident, which again some say did not happen despite numerous eye witnesses, suggests that matters are escalating despite repeated requests from the Club. Anybody who insists such incidents do not happen is either blind, has an axe to grind or just likes to challenge authority. Maybe all three. There may well be issues regards Bob Park and other Club officials that need addressed. Hopefully they will be. Discussions certainly need to take place quickly. And many people clearly disagree with attempts that have been taken to address anti social behaviour...in football grounds and beyond. But to use either to justify the actions of what we are told is a minority of the Bois is purely an attempt at deflection. And sorry, but to accuse Park and Read of using the latest incidents as a means of gaining revenge after losing the Barmack vote is just farcical. And to try to justify/play down the situation the office staff found themselves in is disgusting. Bottom line is that if behaviour does not improve, arrests and bans will continue. Regrettably some less guilty parties may also suffer. I hope not. We all demanded justice when Celtic and Hibs fans trashed the away end. Not to that extent yet, but is it not hypocritical to excuse our own fans' anti social behaviour? Like everyone on here I enjoy the atmosphere and colour the Bois bring to our games and openly support their charity initiatives and highlighting of teenage suicide concerns. But sadly unless things change it will not be the good they do which will continue to be the focus. Last word on this from me as both sides are clearly entrenched and agreement is not going to happen. How sad is it that, the day after such a fantastic victory and performance, most of the talk is about a group of supporters who have so much to offer if only they were prepared to limit their actions to supporting the club and the community. Then again I can think of one or two or four who just cannot bring themselves to acknowledge how good a performance two players in particular put in. Sad really. On both fronts.

The thing is though, if there wasn't evidence to convict, then how does the club know their behaviour was unacceptable? Or are we just giving the powers that be the power to ban anyone they like without scrutiny? This isn't "any other business", this is a fan-owned football club. Some people may not like it, but they do have to be held accountable to the fans on occasion. Especially when it comes to banning people. And for the record, anyone caught and convicted by a court of carrying out football-related violence or trouble should face the consequences of their actions. However, when there isn't enough evidence to convict, that changes the story. Innocent until proven guilty and so forth.

Motherwell football club are just the same as any other business, commercial premises, pubs and clubs etc ie they have the legal authority under their terms and conditions, operating policies, code of conduct etc to ban any individual or group of individuals from their premises if they feel their policies have been broken. So no need to refer to courts etc, so the individuals might not have been convicted but in the eyes of the club their behaviour was unacceptable so action was taken. There is a simple solution to this, support the club without all of the ultra bullshit and there won't be an issue.

It's bad enough that someone can be treated as though they're already guilty when they've only been charged (accused) of a crime, but that they're still on the banned list when that accusation is thrown out? Absolutely ridiculous.

If the ‘Bois’ just went to the game, supported the team, sing their songs, chanted their chants and so on then there would be no issues whatsoever. There would be no unwanted attention from the stewards. No club imposed ‘stadium bans’. No arrests. No legal proceedings. But that group seem to have no intention of simply supporting the team. They have previous for jumping on the park, setting off flares, pyro, arguing with and in some cases shouting blind abuse at police and stewards all while dressing themselves in black and covering three quarters of their faces with scarves or whatever. It is no wonder that their cards have been well and truly marked by the club and the police. But just like their idols in the Green Brigade they love a grievance and a reason to protest about something so I can’t see them ever changing their ways. Some of them might grow up and grow out of it but there will always be younger bampots ready to step up and follow in their footsteps. Groups like that are part of the problem, not the solution but I reckon they already know that anyway, despite what their “look at us” banners proclaim or their protests are supposedly based on.

My uncle died 6 months before we won the cup in 91. It's hard. He would have loved it. I wish he had lived to see it. He took me to Scotland games before I went to Motherwell games Sorry for your loss.

Doubly pleased that we won for him and you Grizzly.

Also today such a great victory as tomorrow is 10 years since my dad passed away, huge well fan and reason I became a well fan even though a hamilton lad born and bred. He would have loved that today ❤️

That was a very enjoyable day today, arguably our best home performance for more than a year. I could make a case for several to be MOTM but we had no failures at all. As someone else said, Oxborough and Gordon have given us a spine to build a solid looking defence round and the addition of Maswanhise, combined with the emergence of Wilson, and SOD's new lease of life has given us some attacking impetus. Halliday looks like he is faster than a couple of weeks ago and Davor, who I thought we should have taken off when Sparrow and Seddon came on, was everywhere when Hearts tried to up the tempo. I was worried that we were going to revert to last season's tactic of trying to hold on to what we have rather than keep doing what we were doing well, but after our 15 minute wobble, we finished strongly and in the end, 3-1 flattered Hearts. Our work rate for the last 15 minutes was very impressive and I thought we managed the game well at the end. Mostly though, I just love beating Hearts. 🍺😁🍺

On his showing so far, i think we could do a lot worse than try and extend Maswanhise's January contract till the summer. Would give us a little security knowing he'd be with us till the summer and someone wont just take him at the end of his short term deal. He's been pivotal in linking us and gives us an "out ball" and add pace - take that away and we're lacking.

That is the biggest ‘tragedy’ about this whole ridiculous episode. That these attention seeking bams have got themselves attention by having Motherwell fans arguing about their behaviour rather than discussing the team itself and our first league victory of the season. As I said earlier if they just supported the team without all the shenanigans with pyro, jumping on the park, shouting abuse at stewards, covering their faces and puffing their chests out like pigeons the second they are inevitably challenged for their behaviour then they wouldn’t have any issues whatsoever. But clearly they value their status as a group more than supporting the club itself otherwise they wouldn’t deprive the club and the team of their support.