Goggles & Flippers

Is that right Widow Twanky?

White shorts, black socks and claret hooped socks for a change, with white fold down. If you get a chance of course UBH

Badge looks wank. Plenty of discussion on here in the past, annoyed it's not been dealt with. Major oversight. Don't get the 1991 fawning. It was a great year in our history but it now serves to remind me how long its been especially when a number of smaller teams have secured silverware in the intervening years. Shame motorpoint couldn't be convinced to alter their colours the way cash convertors did. However it is their prerogative. Not a fan of the all amber strip, as been mentioned not enough claret. I recall Craig Brown liked all one colour strips as it has a visual effect of making the players look taller. Don't know about that. Maybe you don't know how the agreement with Provan works, essentially they get run the shop but have to provide xx,000 worth of clothing at list prices to the club every year. Provan keeps all profits up to another figure agreed with the club. If sales exceed this then the club gets a cut, but it generally needs something like a cup final to exceed this. It has been decided that the club prefers to outsource the hassle of running the shop and dealing with Macron on a day to day basis. I'd be surprised based on this agreement if sponsor free shirt sales result in extra income from a lower sponsorship deal. Agree with this Andy, with the shops twitter announcement it makes me think its maybe a lesser deal than we've been used to in the past. A sponsor must see some sort of benefit of having their logo on x thousand strips worn in the local community and further afield per year. I'm sure someone at Motorola must have been happy with the Tom Green exposure. If this is the case, then its not ideal as we now have a head of Commercial and Sponsorship tasked with increasing revenues. A lesser deal with that resource in place would be far from ideal. However without the specifics of the deal and unlikely they will ever be shared then it's all conjecture and second guessing.

By all intents and purposes, Cowdenbeath had a number of guys too that were untried and they were testing out, however they managed to turn over the Premier league team that finished 5th in the country. The only good thing about the last two games is it'll give McGhee an excuse to light a fire under a few behinds.

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Yeah Hibs is worry. Safe to say any targets from America or Europe have just increased 30% in price putting Messi just out of reach sadly.

All young, all promising, all secured astutely (the Chester article makes it clear we were cunning/clever) and all on manageable deals so potential of onward selling is there. Good day at the office. Now just McGhee to thrash them in pre-season to make them sexy footballing panthers.

They're as delusional as their favourite song at the moment ...... Nobody likes us and we don't care ..... evidently you do #wineylittlebitches

Would have more weight if McGhee had an impeccable record of being a courteous gentleman. Some of us have short memories.

So if Hearts or Killie support us they have to do a press release, for all we know there's been objections raised in private, then again, they could be doing as you said and looking the other way sheepishly while whistling. Ann Budge at Hearts seems to be fair minded and we have a good working relationship due to the fan ownership models at both clubs, I'd be surprised if she didn't say anything but then again, they pretty much fill Tynecastle every week with their own fans, away support is mostly inconsequential, so who knows. The only thing we do know is Partick Thistle's displeasure along with our own has been voiced publicly. Accies are also affected and probably a few more teams with the midweek fixtures. If the club said nothing they'd be getting maligned on here for ignoring the fans. Damned if they do, damned if they don't, shown above by how the vote went. I think the issue here is you feel things should be documented and I suggest all that needed to be employed here was common sense. As I've said before, it was either missed or sanctioned by x people at Hampden before publishing, why it got to that stage is beyond me. It's the clubs responsibility primarily to look out for MFC, it's employees and it's support, second tier is the premier league, third the lower leagues and the national team probably crowbars itself in there somewhere too. It's just as a support we seem to be so quick to jump on the day to day management of the club to find holes when by and large they are approachable, reasonably open and looked upon favourably by the press/peers.

You can't change the debate to league structure when it's purely about the fixture list published last week. The fair fixture list I mentioned was working within the current 12 team, split format.

"Suggested"? I think rubbing joob joob beans together under a full moon with druids flashing their boabys would have moved it into a "Hopeful" at best.

Don't think there is any cocksucking being here, blue or green. It's that everyone should face them a total of 3 times pre-split at home. Allowing for 1 home and 1 away post split. The current 50-50 ish split among our own fans could have been avoided with common sense. If there was a fair fixture list then there would be no debate at all. People would switch to working out if they were going to praise or blame McGhee for when he started pre-season, the intensity, the nature of our -pre-seasons, footgolf or lack of/inspired signings and other bullshit.

Can't Mio, he got a homer off the back of it, now he's booked out

Fuck Ross County, their owner bankrolls that team with questionable financial fair play criteria, so there's no reason he couldn't throw some money to the 2 pensioners and a dug that follows them with a 100 quid into a minibus every so often. Problem solved. What we are talking about here is simple, if the league released fixtures that had a semblance of common sense about them, there would be no debate, in fact a lot of people would be saying hey out of all the crap we could have got dealt, that isn't so bad. But they didn't and here we are. There would be no no fans divided down the middle as to thinking they were hard done to and no pedantic posts highlighting spelling mistakes to gain extra traction.

Aye you say that repeatedly, but at a sensitive time of year where people who maybe live in the far flung corners of the UK/planet return home and want to maximise the time with their nearest and dearest. Surely common sense is inconveniencing as few people as possible to get as many people as possible to attend games? Around Christmas and midweek, the league should look to group together County, ICT, Aberdeen Dundee, St. Johnstone & Hearts (before anyone jumps on it I recognise the distance between Edinburgh and Dingwall, I'd advocate Hearts playing the other grouping of Killie, Accies, Partick, the Haudit and Doddit plus us. plus St. Johnstone/Dundee. Christ .... everyone on here to a man (or woman) says our game is on it's arse, there should be more done, here is a prime example of one of those instances and this and the other thread are full of apologists. Rangers and Celtic are a different case to everyone else, if you choose not to think or understand that then I don't know how many posts on a board will make you. Long and short is the league should have never got to a stage where they released such a hashed pigfuck, all thats been managed is some teams are rubbing their hands, some are feeling the pinch and a lot of fans are arguing over something that should never have seen the light of day.

Thoughts and votes please folks

Ha Yeah .... more news just in, the club announce they will be playing on a green pitch next season

Or there was an assumption that the body responsible for officiating a sporting competition would do as they always had in the interests of fair play.

What exactly is the incompetence exhibited by the board, issuing the statement or something they could have done in advance? I would suggest the biggest difference here is you work in a commercial capitalist environment where if you succeed your competition fails. Motherwell (while still success based) existing in the sporting sphere where on day one it is expected there is a level playing field. The better analogy would have been you visiting your finance gaffer and apologising for not winning a contract you tendered for as your competitors are given an advantage on what should be a fair, open and transparent system.

Aye but Motherwell have Accies 2 miles away for derby's, and Partick and Killie for midweek games around Christmas. Aberdeen is always going to be somewhat inconvenienced by the Geographic location, so you look to mitigate it as much as possible.

More likely a "fuck Motherwell" from the SPFL, the club can't influence the fixture list prior to publishing except maybe highlighting prior oversights. Remember a few years back Leeann got a Boxing Day game against Celtic due to a 18 game home season opposed to 19.

The SPFL have the power to alter and fine tune the computer randomisation, in this instance they haven't. Let's not ignore that in the history of the split, correct me if I'm wrong, neither Rangers or Celtic ever had 18 home games, but on a few occasions had 20. There's four bits to this whole debate: Sporting Integrity: We face 4 trips to Ibrox and Parkhead, Dundee/ICT/St Johnstone etc. face only two pre split. Lets not deny that every fan on the planet feels they have a chance against as an underdog on their own patch. The whole point of a league is that in theory everyone has a chance to win. Of course things are skewed in this country as they are in most other leagues where 25% of clubs are the only realistic ones able to win the league consistently. To play them both at home post spilt we have to accumulate enough points (you would imagine) to attain top 6 status. Not so easy when you've one less home game and 2 first team players down compared to your immediate competition. Commercially: We face a significant loss to their balance sheet by early April compared to our competitors. This allows them to wheel and deal to secure better additions to their squad. Yes if we get top 6 then we've got a bumper April/May but anyone who knows about football finances knows the pinch points are in January and March. Not only that, to get the bumper April/May we have to overcome a higher hurdle than the other teams in the league. Heart: The club supported the overwhelming groundswell of fan opinion and sanctioned Rangers demotion. They made it clear it was going to be tough and asked for fans to help see through the shortfall in revenues with buying bricks, getting lapsed visitors back in the fold, etc. Needless to say we as a group didn't do with the gusto required. Yes, it would be nice to treat them as we would a Falkirk but only the most blinkered of fans can't ignore they are a different entity. It should make no difference, but it does. Historically: First time this has happened, so what's the rationale SPFL? Every year they are released and we seem to be the club that is messed around, the thinking is what? Punishing the exuberant among our support, the fact our support is smaller than a number of others, or our management can be controlled and pacified unlike others. Personally I'm glad we're making a stand, everything about this is amateurish. With respect to the midweek games, it seems many have ignored the Friday night Aberdeen games in recent memory. It's not unconceivable to schedule Ross County/ICT vs Aberdeen or St Johnstone for the midweek Christmas fixture. We expect the New Year fixture always to be a derby, so ICT vs Ross County, St. Johnstone vs Dundee, and while not close Aberdeen vs Hearts would result in a bumper crowd for the home team and keep them as happy as they could be. What's so wrong in suggesting the week before ICT, Aberdeen, RC and ST Johnstone will all be involved against each other? When people are home at that time of year, visiting family/jaked, just keep them close to home, its not hard.

Yeah but maybe the long term financial forecasting had him going for a lot more in X years time for all we know.