Goggles & Flippers

Maybe appointing people on merit and ability opposed to association and family ties going forward would be the lesson learned here.

Sounding out prospective Christmas party customers like you're chatting to a bird on Tinder with foundy English is quite a bit below that standard of club communications in recent times ....... Jotters!

Imbecile and a liability

Yeah it may entice a number of floating supporters back but that's not going to be a huge amount, they club do have approx 2,500 season ticket holders who due to this initiative may choose to alter their buying habits which could affect the club adversely going forward.

Surely the better option in your circumstances going forward would be: 10 game flexi ticket = £155 5 game flexi ticket = £77 1 pay at the gate = £20 So £252 opposed to £295 early bird or £310 standard pricing East ticket. I've just saved you 20%, surely that is better value? Can't help but feel that a 10 game ticket should be £1.00-1.50 more expensive than the season ticket cost per game and the 5 game ticket £2.50-3.00. To use £15.50 as the blanket multiplier for these tickets is short sighted and a mistake I reckon. Both offer savings than paying at the gate but don't erode the value of season tickets to a) the club (£300+ money upfront in the summer before) and b) fan (why would you bother committing a lump sum in future when you have this scheme that is less risky).

Just a question, with family commitments, work, holidays, etc. In a 19 game home SPFL season how many games does your average season ticket holder miss through one of these? Looking at the pricing structure released, you can attend 15 games for £232 which I think would suit a number of season ticket holders. I think there's a good chance the club could be missing out on 25% of a decent revenue stream from a sizeable number of the support next season. If the pricing structure was weighted towards a season ticket in the east for example you have £295 Earlybird (not full price £310)/ 19 games = £15.50 and that £15.50 is the multiplier used to calculate the Flexi tickets why would anyone ever buy a full price season ticket ever again. It begs the question where the advantage of a season ticket going forward?

It works for me and my circumstances. However I suppose the club won't know the success until August next season when they'll find out if people will opt for these opposed to season tickets. If its the former, then that causes a potentially serious cashflow issue, however I've faith this has been considered before today's announcement. There is potential to have sub 1,500 crowds against unfancied teams on a February midweek, if you'd rather save one of your tickets for the weekend. Also, if it looks like we finish anywhere from 5th to 8th before the split I doubt many will buy a 5 game package to see out the season. At least with season ticket holders you've kinda compelled them to attend.

Yeah and despite that, it still managed a negative vote .... don't mind getting them if someone backs their decision up. A number of sensible and valid points in your post and well throughout and only your 18th so far, quite revolutionary for on here. fear not, you will descend to petty name calling and fantasy by about post 250

Did he, sure about that? ......... He tried to sell it to an individual or a group for a few years before he realised it wasn't going to happen so the WS idea was floated so he could distance himself from liability. Don't get confused with fan ownership being some noble gesture, it was because it was the only option available. You may not be closed to it but I think its safe to say he is.

What a nonsense thread, then I noticed its author and I thought "ahh well, that figures"

Way off the mark 8-16, its precisely because he wants shot of the liability that fan ownership was advanced as a proposition. He dabbled, tried to use his business acumen, got his fingers burned and sees it as a thing of the past now.

With our recent league form a lot on here have criticised the general local population for failing to recognise and attend. A lot of the fault has to lie with the club not capitalising. We are committed to put a product on the park at FP 19ish times a season, that doesn't alter, it's a fixed cost. The WellEvate scheme has tried to increase things but its impact won't be felt for a few years yet. Sometimes I just think they'd rather go out and get one advertising board or programme ad for £2k opposed to signing up half a dozen season ticket holders. Lapsed, former customers are among the easiest you will ever get. An extra 500 through the gates is £150k per year approx. That would allow the manager £3k per week to spend on players. It was only a few years back we had that coming to FP. When we went to the Cup Final in 2011, 18,000 approx attended, 18-20 (from memory) buses left Fir Park, not one had a season ticket form or list of the added benefits. It's just a chronic and repetitive list of missed opportunity. I sincerely hope this shortcoming is identified going forward as the dire impact on the club financially in the past year has only been offset by a 91st minute goal. 2nd Place SPFL 2013/14 +250k SPFL not represented in the CL 2014/15 -£100k Loss of Hibs/Hearts, gain of Dundee/Accies -£75k Lack of League sponsor -£100k Not progressing past Stjarnan -£300k Inter Milan? -£500k Of course there are quite a few guesstimates plus if's and but's there but overall it does not make happy reading.

I agree, dwindling support and interest in Scottish football from sponsors to TV exec's at present combined with 5-6 home games with teams who bring decent supports replaced with Ross County and alike with little or no developer interest in our current ground means it's a very hard one to sell or envisage unless MJC wins the Euromillions. Like anything through the trust, they tap into quango money and allow the first team and u20's get first dibs. Good deal all round with minimal club outlay and more importantly maintaining as much cash as possible for the player budget. Would have been nicer attached to Ravenscraig as the Muirhouse site is out the way but its probably because Ravenscraig carries a premium than this site is being considered.

and you should stick to crayons and leave the keyboards to the adults.

Simple answer .... not Next!

Legend. Either need white sleeves or white body and claret sleeves to work. Not enough of a differential from the home strip for Dundee Utd, Partick or Aberdeen

I see Arsenal have moved to Puma from Nike. wonder what their home strip would look like in C&A hypothetically if we'd stayed with them ..... UBH?

I just don't think we've consistently bossed a midfield since Steve Jennings left, even during the 2012-13 season.

The East and West points of your diamond aren't really known for their work ethic and tracking back. I also fear Josh Law may be a bit aggrieved as he's been one of the few players to offer much so far. Needless to say I doubt McCall would ever play such an attack minded formation, it not in his DNA. I reckon our boss is more inclined with the following as HIS preferred and strongest starting XI at present (when all fully fit): Dan Ramsden Reid McManus Hammell Carswell Law Lasley Vigurs Ojamaa Sutton With Vigurs and Sutton the first to be subbed based on how things are going.

Have a like Yassin for scrolling through all those pages to find another example of Steelboy making a dick of himself. Anyone fancy finding the Vigurs and Higdon ones too?

Well this place is going a little nuts. Good news as we have a known quantity back in the team and you would think its the sort of player that would compliment a tall ball winning striker (whither it be Sutton or Erwin - lets be honest though, McCall will favour Sutton for quite a while before opting for Erwin starting ahead of him). Vigurs to supply the balls and Keith to find his form again and we're back on track. Amazing how one piece of news increases optimism exponentially.

Must be pretty sweet being a Dundee Utd fan at present, 100% record against the 2nd and 3rd in the league last season.

Reading through the comments a lot of encouraging things here and there against a team that did spank us a few times last season. OK, they've lost a few players, so have we, however we are threadbare with a debutant 3rd choice left back playing 45 minutes for us there. A result like this in their manor is certainly an improvement from recent results and based on their game against Aberdeen, maybe not too bad? I'm never a fan of setting up totally defensive, I think its been proven so far we don't have the personnel to close out games. Playing 2 strikers don't seem lean towards that but when it looks like we will be looking to counter attack, I have to wonder why Ainsworth wasn't started ahead of Sutton to support Erwin unless there were injury concerns. McCall does like his favourites and no doubt felt that Sutton would hold the ball for support to come up. Other posters have said it, unfortunately too many of our experienced players with pedigree aren't performing anywhere near the kids with the hunger are.

Why was Angol replaced by Ferguson? Injured or awful?

Aye all right, don't know how I missed it. I assumed it would be further up the club chat page. Ever so sorry.