Yorkyred
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A massive factor was match fitness, play that half a dozen competitive games later and you get a totally different result.
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7 minutes ago, Yodo said:
Why put off till tomorrow what you can do today . Has to go I’m afraid and his interviews are getting worse
If you are going to do that you do it at the end of last season giving the new guy the opportunity to bring in his own players. If the board were happy with him when the season finished why would they want to sack him one game later ?
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7 hours ago, wellfan said:
Lose and Alexander is finished before the season even begins.
So the board give him the summer then sack him before we have even played a single league game ?
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3 hours ago, wellfan said:
Too many happy clappers here trying to defend the indefensible. We’ve been absolutely brutal since December, and Alexander would’ve likely been fired had we not scraped into the top 6 and European qualification. He, therefore, rightly got the summer to turn things around. However, after going to the Partick and Sligo games, I’d suggest we’re worse than last season. He needs to be shown the door now. His arrogance and cluelessness will see us in a relegation battle.
Again this line has been punted out for at least the last 6 years running under various managers and it’s not happened yet. Relegation certainty turned into top 6 finishes on more than one occasion. It’s one game in and not 20, you would think reading many of the posts we were already as good as doomed. Yes it was a dreadful night and people can point to last season ( something that has also been done before) but we’ve not yet even played a league game.
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13 minutes ago, Yodo said:
Happy happy clapper we were shite the whole midfield were garbage . What u seen tonight is what you’ll see for the rest of the season
Well we will see if we’re doomed as some are already predicting and do early on every season. It’s never happened yet and I would not be surprised if we do ok again. I seem to say this every season and as with the always wise Ya Bezzer ( a poster some could learn a lot from) the bigger picture is not individual managers but the standard of Scottish football in general with no better example than the whole of last season with just about every team of the same low standard. I fully expect another season of poor football from not just Motherwell but many of the others on a similar level to us. If you honestly think it will get significantly better by changing manager again you are likely to be extremely disappointed.
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Very poor result and performance, has the world ended, not at this point.
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10 minutes ago, StirlingDosser said:
Just waiting the Alexander fan club analysis of tonight's showing
Is there actually an “Alexander fan club” ? I think there were a percentage of supporters who had an affection towards Robinson, shown even when he left. I’ve not seen any of that towards Alexander, he’s be forgotten pretty quickly if he left in my view.
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31 minutes ago, Spiderpig said:
You must have seen him, you described it as a comical effort yesterday?
He’s a Motherwell player, he must be awful.
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42 minutes ago, Toxteth O'Grady said:
Gambling especially among young people has never been more of a problem, it’s leading to people taking their own lives, even a decent percentage of school kids are addicted yet I can go on Twitter and still see individuals posting tweets linking to their own sites claiming guaranteed success. I’ve worked alongside three people with gambling addictions and it’s ruined all their lives.
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21 minutes ago, Spit_It_Out said:
I need to know what players that left has made us weaker?Grimshaw? Donnelly?O Hara?Roberts?Who?.Just curious cause if anything we got rid of alot of injury prone floaters.
Pretty much everyone that were not seen as good enough but now seem to be a loss.
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31 minutes ago, MJC_mkII said:
They were options for us, which we’ve not got anymore. Meanwhile we haven’t really strengthened the squad. I’m sorry but to me that suggests that we are weaker.
I guess what I’m saying without putting them down is they were not great options. I can’t remember Roberts or OHara doing anything of note last season. The three additions could strengthen the squad, we just don’t know yet.
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1 minute ago, MJC_mkII said:
We’ve lost Woolery and Roberts. Neither of whom were regular starters, I know, but were options for us. We’ve also lost O’Hara who falls into the same category although McGinn may give us another option. We needed to strengthen our squad from what we ended last season with and that hasn’t happened. Indeed we have lost two attacking options and replaced them with Josh Morris (who is unknown and deserves every chance to prove himself) and may yet lose van Veen as well.
I’m not saying that the squad has been substantially weakened, but it has been weakened to an extent and considering how poor we were last season, that can’t be a good thing.
I honestly can’t see how losing the above players has made us weaker. Of the three only Woolery was rated by anyone and he was far from a first choice player. Roberts and OHara a loss ? Sorry not for me. We’ve also added three players, two of which are proven at this level with another striker added, the three of them have not even kicked a ball in competitive anger yet. Van Veen is still here at this point. On top of that the younger players breaking into the first will hopefully gain more experience and those that joined last season will be looking to kick on with a couple who struggled through injury hopefully fitter.
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29 minutes ago, MJC_mkII said:
I don’t think any Motherwell fan would realistically expect ‘Brazil 1970’ or anything remotely like that. However as you say yourself the squad is weaker than last season. And last season we were awful. No flukey top six/Europa qualification can disguise that. We played next to zero football throughout and got by from Aug - Dec because we had Tony Watt who could get goals to bail us out.
From Boxing Day ‘21 until the end of the season we won three league matches and didn’t win a league match in 2022 until April. In that time we were eye-bleedingly dismal to watch and we can thank our lucky stars that the rest of the dross in the league managed to cut their own throats enough times to keep us out of trouble.
So if, as you acknowledge, the team is now weaker than we were at the end of last season then it’s perfectly reasonable for Motherwell fans to have concerns ahead of the new season.
What’s the reasoning for suggesting we are weaker than we were at the end of last season ?
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3 minutes ago, Yodo said:
So what positives did you take from that dugshite of a performance . The only thing u can say is the players got 90 mins under their belts and looked as bad as ever
That’s what you take.
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20 minutes ago, steelboy said:
Efford adds to his collection of comical goals.
A deflected Thistle clearance plays him and with the full goal to aim at he hits it straight at the keeper and it goes through his legs to make it 1 nil.
Tierney just missed an empty net.
You really are a man incapable of having a positive bone in your body. Living with you must be a truly miserable experience.
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3 hours ago, steelboy said:
Efford is brutal, he should be emergencies only until we can get shot of him.
If we are relying on Spittal, Morris, Tierney and Goss to create in the final third it'll be a repeat of our form since the winter break and a new manager for Christmas.
We’re doomed
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15 hours ago, David said:
I see this reaction for 99% of the signings we make, and it makes me ask, what exactly are fans expecting? Household names that we all recognise? Prolific strikers who have been banging them in the season or two before?
It doesn't work that way. There has been maybe one or two signings in recent times that we've made where I haven't reacted by saying "never heard of him, let's see what he has to offer."
I’m still surprised that folks don’t realise this is the norm, we have not signed a single high profile player under 4 different managers while I’ve been supporting the club, I don’t see how that’s going to change. It was interesting reading the feedback on the St Mirren Forum after their game with Northampton after the 3-1 defeat. Someone eventually pointed out that This league two team actually had an average attendance last season a thousand higher than them. I was at one of the Nation league north play offs last season, level 6. There were 7500 there and they could have sold nearer 12000. High profile players cost big money.
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On 7/5/2022 at 6:52 PM, Ya Bezzer! said:
I think a lot of people reckon that Derek McInnes track record in the Premiership will see Kilmarnock good but re-signing Alan Power, bringing in Donnelly and already having Polworth there suggests other wise.
They also have a brutal opening fixture list, easily the hardest of any of the teams.
For me could be contenders to go straight back down.
I actually think KcInness will keep them up because he has that proven track record. Aberdeen should never have got rid of him, fan power is not always right.
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51 minutes ago, Yodo said:
So why is he getting allowed to leave
Surely that’s down to the opinion of the new manager, does that make the other managers wrong ? Every manger has different ideas on what he wants from a player. Frankly I don’t care either way because it’s down to how he plays for us, that’s all that matters.
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9 hours ago, grumpy said:
Yorkyred, never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level then beat you with experience.
You know I’m always interested in what other posters think, even if I don’t always agree. I’ve not been a supporter of this club for that many years and maybe Yoda as a long standing supporter does have a better take on things than me, if he has I would just love to know what it is. The one liners don’t really explain anything, it’s easy to just state everyone is doing a poor job without offering anything as a counter argument. End of the day a big factor is always going to be money, do we run on a sustainable level which is never going to be easy with the big city clubs in the division, or do we run a bigger budget and start building up debt ? The attendances don’t seem to change that much regardless of what we do so no massive gain from finishing four or five places higher in that regard. I would not want to be the one making these decisions, you can’t win whatever you do with some supporters.
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14 minutes ago, Yodo said:
Kept it to two lines so u in particular would understand
Not good enough for Hibs then not good enough for usSo given that we should be signing players of the same level, or better than Hibs would deem as good enough for them right ? To do that we would need to be offering the same wages or better right? How do we do that ?
I would rather you did not just keep everything to two throw away lines and actually came up with a detailed explanation of your thought processes. You want a team of better quality players, how do we fund that ? Do we start building up debt again ? Do we look at a smaller squad ? Do we cut back in other areas such as youth and put that money into the first team budget ? What other ideas do you have ?
It’s easy to just keep throwing insults around every time someone questions your posts, I could do the same but it achieves nothing. I’m actually genuinely interested in your thoughts.
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2 hours ago, Yodo said:
Not good enough for Hibs then not good enough for us . Simples
I’m still trying to work out how we sign anyone you think is good enough Yodo. You don’t want players from the English lower league’s, none league, the Scottish Championship, or established Premiership players. Are you looking for us to sign the better players from a Rangers, Hearts, Celtic ?. The top players from the English Championship or even English Premier league ?
I’m guessing the likes of Hibs have a playing budget three times ours, do you think we should be paying wages comparable to their’s and Hearts in order to compete for the same players ?
We all want the club to be signing the best players possible but they do not come cheap. It’s easy to just keep saying “players that are an improvement on what we have” but it’s not that simple without spending more money. How much debt would you be comfortable with ?
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2 hours ago, Winning by Name said:
Have you an example of a whelming signing? He played over 30 games for Hibs last season and gained a Scottish Cap.
I took it as humour.
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How often have people called for us to sign established Premiership players rather than none league guys from down south. ? Well regardless of his position this is exactly the type of signing many want. Good luck to him.
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ECL Sligo Rovers v Motherwell 28/7/22
in Club Chat
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This of course is the reality of the situation. Talk of sacking someone who has just been given the summer before a ball has even been kicked in a league game is crazy, he’s going to get at least a dozen games. The cup games always see shock results and Sligo are way ahead of us when looking at actual player match fitness, very obvious on the night. Even then we missed a stack of good chances which would have seen a totally different result and less of the total over reactions on here. I wonder at times if some posters are just on a wind up when they talk of us been doomed/ relegation certainties given it’s repeated every season and we often end up top half. I always hope for top half but have no idea at this point where we will finish. If the form continues he should of course be replaced, he’s had plenty of time now so no excuses but it needs to be remembered he picked up more points as manager in a 12 month period than any other team outside the old firm at one point, that was not down to being lucky. I’m personally not a huge fan of his football or post match analysis but he’s not the worst manager I’ve seen at Motherwell, the home games with McGee in charge were absolute cluster f@@ks.