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We don't have to slip up for celtic to win pre split. if they beat rangers it doesn't matter what we do after the Killie game. Celtic only require 1 more point to be pronounced champions. So they have 2 games ater Rangers in which to get that point.

Should have mentioned that, of course, after the OF game and our killie game, it doesn't matter a toss what we do since celtic just need one more point, so it's not really like Rangers will hand the league to Celtic if they beat us at Fir Park.

24 points left for grabs just now and Celtic are 21 points ahead. so if they beat rangers next week then they are 24 points ahead of rangers with only 21 left up for grabs. However if we beat killie then we will still be 21 points behind celtic, so technically Celtic will still not have clinched the title.

we will probably be the only team that can't beat them

If we can manage to scrape 2 victories from the Aberdeen and Kilmarnock games we could see ourselves in a great position. Some games for our close rivals coming up could help us. St Johnstone have some tough ones, St Mirren, hearts and Celtic which could see them drop a few points hearts with the Hibs derby game, St Johnstone, and aberdeen have 3 tough matches, Dundee Utd would probably seem to be the one to get closest to us althought hey do play rangers today but followed by games against hibs, dunfermline and aberdeen i don't see them dropping too many points basedon their recent run of form. However having said that aberdeen do seem to be a bit of a bogey team for them having beaten Utd twice already this season. So C"MON THE WELL lets get into thi sberdeen team and put another 3 points on the board!!!!

Thanks fudge but can't view that. BBC does something to disable us foreigners from viewing. I normally get to see the highlights in NFSW ( or whatever it's called ) section when Yabba puts them up. Of course getting beat at home by aberdeen in the cup is not really a highlight so, not surprisingly, the game is not up there.

They need to start recording the officals audio and have the sound enable from start to finish..............for quality assurance purposes ;-)

Anyone got a clip of the corner incident? I haven't seen it at all

No problem Hano...................Confusion is what we are all about in this thread!

I'm quite confident Motherwell reserves 2 - 1 Aberdeen

EK's statement is correct It is now certain that a europa cup place will be won by the cup winner or Runner up unless Aberdeen somehow make it to the top 6 and the final If celtic win cup then aberdeen or hibs will take lowest euro spot. ( Unless aberdeen end up in a top 6 poition higher than the lowest qualifying spot ) Obviously if Aberdeen or hibs ( or St mirren or hearts ) win the cup they get highest qualifying berth. if St Mirren or hearts get beat in the final They get nothing since the winner ( aberdeen or hearts ) will take highest berth.

here's a good link. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_stadium_categories i know it's wikipedia but it has links to the actual UEFA Stadium Infrastructure regulations so you can read for yourself.

I like Murphy and he has got talent but find it hard to see how anyone could argue against your point on the big games. Either him or the coaching staff have to figure out the problem and fix it. I am glad he still plays with us and I think he can still contribute for us but to be fair to Humphrey ( who got dropped eventually ) I think it's it's time to drop Murphy and put humphrey back in the starting line up. Thats why we have a squad of players, to spread the load and replace the off form ones with the on form ones. No shame in that. they all go through their ups and downs. Murphy just needs to find the trigger to move hi sups and downs on to a higher plane.

I think humphrey has palyed himself into a starting position so would be surprised not to see him start on saturday. For the cup game i had a bad feeling about it before hand but despite our personel issues for the forthcoming game I think we are going to take 3 points. Poossibly because saturday was one of those days 1. Horrendus officiating decision 2. Dreadful defending 3. Missed penalty 4. Injury to key defensive player 5. reduced to 10 men 6. Played really badly 7. Got our tactics all wrong ..........and Aberdeen hung on for a 1 goal victory. Surely we can't have 2 bad days like that in a row??

Based on some conversation in the shout box today I am pasting the information below from SPL website. Apologies if this is elsewhere in another thread. http://www.scotprem.com/content/default.asp?page=s2&newsid=10789 Hopefully this will not concern us anyway but................ It seemed to have been said that if one of the top 5 wins the cup then all top 5 teams will be in europe. ( said before the rangers situation ) That is not the case. ( according to below ) If Celtic win the cup then Hibs or Aberdeen will be in Europe. What It doesn't tell us is, what happens if Hearts ( assuming they stay in top 6 ) win the cup?? I am assuming, due to lack of any statement, that the runners up will not qualify for europe in that case. So, not surprisingly, first order of business for us, is to get points tally that secures 5th place thereby ensuring european football, since Rangers will not be in europe. Then same for 4th then 3rd then second. As many have stated we do need to take one game at a time so this is more of a "check off" list after each week, where hopefully we earn some more points and our rivals have one less game left to catch us. European places 2012/13 Scotland's position in the UEFA rankings at the end of 2010/11 was 15th, meaning that five clubs will qualify for European competitions next season: ~ The 2011/12 champions and runners-up enter the Champions League in the third qualifying round. ~ This season's Scottish Cup winners enter the Europa League in qualifying round four (play-offs). ~ The third-placed club in the SPL go into the Europa League third qualifying round. ~ The fourth-placed club in the SPL go into the Europa League second qualifying round. ~ If the Scottish Cup winners have qualified for the Champions League, then the SPL third-placed club enters at QR4, the fourth-placed club enters in QR3 and the cup runners-up enter in QR2. ~ If the Scottish Cup winners and runners-up have both qualified for the Champions League then the fifth-placed club in the SPL qualify for Europe, going into the Europa League at QR2.

Agree Fatcalf....................2nd place is all about the money. 3rd place is all about champions league.

I'd rather have him on our team than him be on another SPL team.

altohugh we do need to get our players tied up for next season if possible for european football. Then afte exiting europe get some money for any that transfer. I accept that we are a stepping stone to bigger clubs but as stated elsewhere numerous times we are a "selling" club. That means we need to benefit from our players moving on and not let them go on free transfers.

Rangers should be shafted on 2 counts and not be in the SPL 1. If they liquidate then new Co. should not be in SPL 2. If they get CVA and continue as is they should be relegated as punishment for illegal payments to players. ( such as happened in Italy i think ) So while all this heartfelt concern continues to pour in from media and politicans with repsect to the financial position of the team and worry over job losses I wonder what ther position is if asked about the cheating? is that to be overlooked too?? The whole thing stinks and shoul be sorted out now. Remains to be seen if the other teams have the balls to do it. Although stil a long way to go in this story, the CVA depends on agreement from creditors ( incl HMRC, right? ) interested to see how that goes! not sure if any precedent been set in dealings with other clubs or businesses.

So do Rangers have to pay back the prize money they won by cheating?

Since Rangers have been whining for years about joining English league why don't they just liquidate and go play there!

In fact, mathematically, Hibs and dunfermline are the only two teams that cannot get more points than us.

Not sure i follow that Logic El-pidge. ( assuming rangers are out of europe ) If cup winners are from top 5 then we are already in europe. Since we have already secured top 6(5) finish. If cup winners are out of top 5 ( hibs, Aberdeen, Ayr, St Mirren ) then we need to secure 5th place. With 27 points still up for grabs then we are a long way short of securing 5th place. Did you forget about the 5 post split games??

Surely they can come up with some sort of deal to keep the players for the european effort and then seel them once we are out of europe and still get a decent transfer fee as well as allowing the better palyers to move on up? probably easier said than done, I imagine.

.......And they play rangers next. Not sure how I want that game to go. Rangers win probably would be best. I think it is more important that we keep Dundee Utd and the teams below us at a distance than it is to catch Rangers. We do have to play them twice so currently within our control to catch them without help from other teams. So all in all I just want to see Dundee Utd, Hearts and St Johnstaone drop all the points they can regardless of who they are playing.