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I watched clips over on P&B this morning of a game again Clyde featuring a lot of youngsters alongside players like Nicky law, Lasley and Higdon. That side (not at full strength) would absolutely pump our current side. We desperately need 3/4 senior pro’s of quality. If this season is called early, we don’t have time to have players settle in, we need players that’ll hit the ground running and that means investment; otherwise we’re in real danger of finding ourselves like Hearts.
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18 minutes ago, bobbybingo said:
Can you be sure he's not?
Not at all. However, a career across Patrick thistle and Livingston, with all due respect, isn’t exactly suggesting a top 6 push
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2 minutes ago, Andy_P said:
Oh come on. Someone has been at worst been a steady player in the top flight for more than half a decade and who hit double figures in his last season in the top flight isn't "piss poor".
It’s not the player we need. We’re crying out for a centre half, central midfielder and a striker of real quality. Lawless is none of those things.
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5 minutes ago, Welldaft Mk1 said:
And there you have it.....welcome to Motherwell Steven.
We are effectively rebuilding squad for next season from now and this whilst not spectacular is a very decent signing. That plus he is reliable and hard working enough to help get us away from bottom 2 spots in the league for this season.
Can you be sure about that?
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Piss poor. I'm struggling to see him as a nail on starter which is exactly what we are crying out for. We need leaders.
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Announce Dolly Menga
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Great that the first rumour is an experienced player with proven pedigree. Exactly what we need.
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30 minutes ago, Neilwell86 said:
The silence from the board is deafening? They moved quickly to get a manager in place, the manager is, and rightly so, taking a few days to figure out what he needs and what he doesn't, the recruitment in the summer is being scrutinised quite heavily, we can't afford to get it wrong again. What do you expect from the board? We always keep our recruitment fairly closed to our chest, we are very fortunate that we have Burrows who is upfront with supports over twitter so have a rough idea when a signing is imminent.
I seem to disagree with most things you say, it's not intentional, honestly......luxury of football though, it creates good debates and rarely do two people agree.
saying that I do agree that we need players, and quality ones at that which is why I am fine with taking a wee bit more time with the recruitment, they probably see Rangers as a bit of a free hit this week, you wonder if it was Killie or St johnstone we would move slightly quicker to get people on board?
It's fine not to agree.
No secret that I have been highly disappointed by the lack of information from the board in the past 12 months. There have been some significant events taking place (like two of our largest transfer fees). If Burrows likes to communicate with fans via twitter, fair enough, but it isn't the only medium that should be used and certainly isn't conducive to a clear narrative.
I have said before that whilst the running and operating mechanism from the club is in its current state, communication is key. For all of the reasons that I have gone though 100 times on this forum, we need to be open about strategy towards the fans and society which is currently backing the club.
On the park success is paramount for myself and probably 80% of other fans (over player sales etc.) - it's why we endure all of the shite served up over the years - in the hope of the odd good moment.
I understand it's a tough time for the club, but it's also a tough time for fans and I don't believe that the club is doing enough to be clear about what that exactly is (In terms of investment). I didn't expect the club to sign 5 starters this week (as much as I think we need it), but I would have expected Burrows or someone else to come out publicly and tell the fans and supporters that they are backing the manager to the degree required to get ourselves out of the mess we are in and that a small proportion of all of the extra income generated in the past 12 months will be used for that purpose.
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6 minutes ago, fizoxy said:
We don't know the impact of covid on our finances, so that could be one reason for not spending. Then we have the extra goalies that we've had to pay for. The other could be that it would be problematic to abandon our existing structure.
However, until we get the folk in the door it's hard to judge what were spending.
Certainly not in detail. What we do know is that we have had player sales exceeding 10 out of 12 in The league, in the past 12 months. Healthy season ticket sales, European prize money in excess of 1 million euro and prize money for finishing 7 places ahead of last seasons budget. On top of that, continued merchandise sales and a limited amount from streaming.
The existing structure will Mean nothing in the championship. The fact of the matter is the league could be called early again on average points, therefore we need to inject quality quickly to put as many points on the board as soon as possible.-
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Question. Why the hell do we have to move out players to bring someone in? Absolutely no question that there’s a lot of dross that will be amongst the most forgettable players to ever wear claret and amber (and can leave) however we must have budget. We’re in a relegation scrap and have clearly generated “huge” Amounts (relative) in the past year with a squad that must cost less than last year (unless Lamie and Mcginleys agents’ have been able to bring in the same salary as Tait and Hartley). There will be insurance packages In place for long term injuries such as Dunne and Fox with minimal club contribution.
Maybe not expecting players this week but we need players and we need players of quality. We need to back the manager (whether he’s my choice or not, doesn’t matter for now).
I’m sorry to sound like a broken record however the silence from the board, other than a welcome to Alexander, is deafening. -
One of the softest penalties imaginable. Truth be told, we saw the same failings as under Robinson. We’re bereft of quality. We need 5 players of quality to keep us in the league.
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12 minutes ago, Onthefringes said:
Not discounting your theory, out of curiosity - who would you have installed in the role?
I would have perhaps considered a model of senior manager moving to director of football in the summer or installed someone until the end of season.
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After sleeping on the issue, I'm afraid I'm not jumping on the bandwagon here.
Rather than having anything personally against Alexander, my concerns stem from a fundamental disagreement in current approach from the board concerning recent strategic running of the club.
Whilst I understand that argument will be met with a flurry of "look at the money that has come in", I am approaching this from the perspective of a fan, who's main aim is to see the best team on the park, have some success and hopefully move along 1 or 2 players from time to time in order to keep things ticking.
I don't believe that the appointment of Alexander represents an understanding of either the immediate needs of the playing side of things or indeed shows significant strategic foresight. The vast majority of the mess we find ourselves in stems from recent runnings at the club. Handing out short term contracts to lower league players (often from the English leagues), a lack of investment in senior players and a lack of emergent youth - these factors have all combined to a state where the dressing room is split and we look pretty rudderless.
I also do not believe that the hiring of Alexander, given his full background is in lower league English football, will offer any sort of departure from the above. As I have said before, I am not against bringing in players from south of the border, but that needs to be met primarily with our own youth talent and a group of senior players to steady the ship. We have had no communication from Burrows et. al. as yet, regarding investment on the playing side from the Turnbull/Scott/Mckinstry/Kipre money, rather we are still talking about offloading to bring in (the fact we have a bloated squad lacking ability shouldn't leave us in a financial situation of having to do that, given recent income).
The matter of fact is that we are in a relegation dogfight, at the time of writing, and our main aim for the season is survival. Alexander has neither worked nor played in Scotland and as has been seen in both management and players previously, the demands and expectations are higher than what many imagine - often catching people by surprise. It's a huge risk bringing in this type of profile at this time. It will unquestionably take him time to adapt and I don't believe we have that luxury.
From a mentality perspective, I believe it's the wrong approach. For me, this is not necessarily the move which an established premier league club should be making - I'm afraid it's the kind of appointment I would expect from a club such as St. Mirren or Ross County (no offence). Whether we care to acknowledge it or not, we haven't been relegated in 34 years, have the 7th/8th largest support in the country and have a supporter engagement and bank balance that the vast majority of clubs in Scotland would envy (That all sounds a wee bit too Sevco, but hopefully you get the point) .
We're taking unnecessary risks and not realising the cliff side that potential relegation and the subsequent disenfranchisement from the society that it would represent or adjusting our strategic approaching to secure success on the park and our long term future.
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24 minutes ago, Neilwell86 said:
Is it? Does it really matter at the end of the day. Suppose it would be preferable to hear it from the club first hand but that's social media and the internet for you. Most things are common knowledge before being announced.
Interested to hear why Kmac is so sure that this appointment will be a failure?
Let’s see if it is Alexander - otherwise it won’t meant much.
For me, more than anything, it’s perhaps sensing a case of the right appointment at the wrong time.-
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Well, if it is Alexander. Welcome.
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20 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said:
I don't know for sure but would assume that the manager would identify positions for which we need to recruit and also inform the recruitment team of the type of player he wants to bring in. They will do the rest.
It may well be that Martin Foyle will have a long list of potential recruits to present to our new man.
Can hardly contain my excitement
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14 minutes ago, Andy_P said:
Like Tanner and Taylor-Sinclair who were last playing with Plymouth when we signed them. Or Polworth and Fisher from Inverness. You don't rate the Director of Recruitment, fair enough. Making up shite to embelish your point only diminishes it.
Let’s be honest, from all the drivel of the Foyle era, we’ve have to endure some amount of English non-league / bottom of the barrel football league shite in relation to the total amount of dross.
*** not against players coming from South of the border btw but I agree with Shaka’s main point, the emphasis on squad and club growth has been totally wrong
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2 minutes ago, garryh2205 said:
A bit surprised to see St Mirren have signed Eamon Brophy from Kilmarnock on a pre contact.
30 odd goals in 100 appearances for Killie. Nearly a goal in every 3 games (don’t think we’ve got anyone near these figures ?)I know he played for Accies, but think he could have done a turn for us.
Surely he’s the sort of player we should be looking at as opposed to some of the dross we’ve been subjected to recently ?
Are you joking? Brophy has far too much experience of the top division for us to be signing him. Now, if you can find a striker with a 1 in 5 record from The Eastern Durham League, please feel free to make a sensible suggestion.
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25 minutes ago, ropy said:
Is David Fernandez still kicking about?
Or Greg Strong. Tbh, would probably still start ahead of Mugabe
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With Liam Kelly supposedly joining, should we be expecting Dolly Menga Next?
Have we just given up on signing players and fully relying on Livi's contact book?
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2 hours ago, Jack said:
Micky Melon was the same and he is doing not too bad a job at Dundee Utd.
Melon was going to a side just promoted that was already carrying some momentum and was seeking to add to a squad rather than give it a boot up the arse/re-structure it/save it from relegation.
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9 hours ago, Shaka said:
Whats the basis for this? Just curious
IMO, it’s completely the wrong time for a manager with a lack of top level experience (which he has). His experience centers around lower league English football as a player and manager which again indicates that’s the market that Foyle Et al like to play in and one which I’ve posted multiple times elsewhere on this forum has lead to a failed club strategy; which has landed us in this situation.
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Graham
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(H) Morton
(A) Raith Rovers
(H) Arbroath
(A) Dundee
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1 hour ago, Andy_P said:
Nothing I would take much issue with at all up to the point where you move on to Fan Ownership, at that point our views differ slightly. We want the team to do as well as it possibly can, of course we all do. But for me the primary responsibility of any board of Motherwell FC is to ensure the ability to trade, with the natural follow on from that the better position we are in financially the better placed we should be to give the resources to the manager to get that that best possible product on the park.
If we do it the way around by then could very quickly be back in a position where you are reliant on punting somebody in January for fear that they leave on a free just to balance the books until the summer.
@Al B also on this one.
Absolutely agree. Having a free for all ballot on members opinions would be a nightmare and is a non starter. It’s not really my point however.
My point is that we / the club encourage subscription and membership on the basis that we are a fan owned club. Thus, membership and financial contribution is based on emotional attachment to the club which makes people put their hand in their pocket every month.
If that is the model and you are aware of that at board level, there has to be a degree of transparency on the larger issues. Yes, we get newsletters etc. but in our circumstances, it without question has to go beyond that.
@Andy_P I’m not advocating that we break the bank to go and sign players, all I’m suggesting is that you risk fans becoming disenfranchised and thus stopping long term contribution or dissuading further contributors if there isn’t a stated vision for the club. I’m absolutely supportive of the model and requirement of youth supplemented by senior pros who can guide on and off the pitch. Our model recently hasn’t been that however. We’ve ended up with a group of largely journeymen players who appear much at odds with our own business model (ie emotional investment in the club) and that risks having even bigger ramifications to the business model which is fragile on such few members.
We will always loose our best players unless the Bahrain royal family decides North Lanarkshire is the place to be, but we have consistently pleadEd poverty when quick frankly it has become a nonsense. We know we have no external debt, we know that we budgeted 10th and finished 3rd, we know that we made a million euro from European competition and we know that 2020 transfer fees were touching close to 5 million gbp. Our model however has to be symbiotic, the fans give and the fans receive. At the present moment, that isn’t the case.
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2020/21 Transfer Discussion Thread
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Tbh, I think after about 30 seconds, I was head in hands thinking how that team compares to this... and that was Hollis in goals (a world beater in comparison to the pieman).
We have regressed big time.