Ya Bezzer!

I think that was just because he watched the match.

Any so called Motherwell supporter who doesn't want Motherwell to win every game is a weirdo and needs to find a new hobby like doing jigsaws but not bothering if they complete them or racing pigeons but not bothering of the birds show up. The whole point of the game is to win! It's our team vs another team - that's all the meaning you need.

As I see it we have... Gillespie Gallagher Turnbull Campbell That's who's good enough to go into next season as stick on first choice players. Perhaps there are other players in the squad that can join that group, maybe Tait goes back to right back, or Polworth comes in and does a job but that remains to be seen. Right now we have 4 proven players.

Most of those players were on the way out anyway. And he hardly binned Lasley. I'm talking about the his own players, players that have 40, 50, 60 matches under his management. Robinson has been very loyal to a lot of them, overly loyal in some cases and the end of this season should be the end of the road for a lot of them. Quite a few of them should have been out of here 6 months ago, or a year ago. Robinson stuck by them for not much return. He can't afford to make that mistake again.

Why's he not been playing these end of season matches then? Especially as Tait has been poor recently. I'd like to see him get a chance but I'd rather he got game time now than going into a new season not knowing if he can step up.

Gillespie made three or four decent saves and therefore saved it from being even worse.

It's not the finish that's important it's the general standard of play. If you accept that the standard of a league can go up or down from season to season then obviously finishing 8th doesn't denote the same standard of play from season to season. Finishing 8th in a strong league might be an excellent result for a Motherwell team. This would be the case for Motherwell in the second half of the eighties when almost all the teams above us were decent to very good and it was a big achievement to finish mid league. The standard of the league has been in decline for decades but even relatively to the general decline this season it was very poor. Teams like Aberdeen, Hibs and Hearts have had long spells of really poor form but still finished comfortably Top 6. Aberdeen won 1 home match out of 8 - guess who it was against? Hibs won 3 out of 17 matches mid season. And the current Hearts team are absolutely, risibly tripe and yet finished Top 6 despite currently being on a run of 2 wins in 13. None of these teams are any good. As for the bottom three, they have to rank as three of the worst teams in the history of the Premiership. Dundee's win today means they won't have the worst ever points tally but I believe from memory they are still currently joint second worst - and that's where 12 of our 48 points came from this season. So finishing 8th is completely relative to the other teams and the general standard of play. In my opinion finishing 8th when all but 1 or at a push 2, of the sides above you are pretty low quality teams is nothing to crow about and shouldn't just be accepted. The standard both as a team and relative to the league just wasn't good enough over the season. If we'd reached the heights of mediocrity this season we'd have finished higher up the league much like Hearts and St. Johnstone did.

Robinson needs to learn how to use a sharp set of knives. Football's ruthless and Robinson needs to understand you can't do this job without getting blood on your hands. He's been loyal to a lot of players but their performances haven't matched their managers belief in them. I don't think the manager should be fired on todays, or the last few, performances. However unless Mr. Nice Guy purges the people that let him down again and again the outcome is inevitable - next December will be very much like this one.

If 2 draws and a lucky if entertaining win against three of the worst teams to perform in top level football in Scottish football wasn't enough then that pathetic capitulation against the team in 7th shows we are a million miles away from Top 6 and closer to relegation that our points tally might show. Our defence was a complete shambles. Dunne showed todays he's just not good enough. An absolute nightmare of a performance and rightly hauled off. Gillespie was our man of the match but the whole of the back four needs reworked including Tait who's recent performances have been awful. The key to the revival was the midfield but without Gorrin and Hastie the midfield is back to its old useless self, not helped by playing Turnbull so deep it wasn't uncommon to see only the goalkeeper and Dunne behind him. Cadden was atrocious today, maybe the worst of a bad bunch, he offers nothing. He came leave any time he likes. So like the defence the midfield needs completely refashioned. Gorrin, Hastie, Ariyibi all gone and I think Turnbull will go too. That leaves us with Campbell. Up front you have to feel sorry for Scott who's been left completely isolated up front. I thought Robinson got the substitutions right today but he's got to start thinking about a formation that can accommodate a second striker. Robinson needs to build a new team and show guys he's been loyal to the door. This group of players have had two seasons and they've not been good enough. Next season has to be a new start, a new team. If it isn't Robinson is going to find himself in the firing line again.

Why is it our creativity just bleeds away when Cadden and McHugh play? Our midfield is back to being absolute shite. Think we should have had a penalty, looked like a hand ball on the line to me. Unfortunately Dunne has given away a definite pen at the other end. We cannot depend on Turnbull every week but can we really look to the same old faces that have let us down so many times before to step up now? There are quite a few players out there that aren't good enough and the patina of respectability Turnbull has given us is just that - a patina.

St. Johnstone have won 3 (Dundee, Dundee, St. Mirren) drawn 1 (Livingston) and lost 1 (Hibs) out the last 5 home matches. We've drawn 2 (Hamilton, Kilmarnock) and lost 3 (Aberdeen, Hibs, Celtic) out of the last 5 away matches. St. Johnstone have had easier matches but we've not won away against anyone outside the bottom 3 since last December......when we beat St. Johnstone.

Gotta be better than watching Motherwell in the first half of the season, win, lose or draw.

Two absolutely honking stone age hoofball teams. Seems like a good fit for them.

Last away trip of the season but our away form in the second half of the season has been pretty poor. I don't think his a particularly good St. Johnstone team so we could beat them but looking at the form I'd say we are a bit short of being favourites. At least the weather (probably) won't be as bad as the last time we were up there. Even though we won it's still by a mile my least favourite day of the season!

Scott was one of our better players in the 2nd half but let's face it Turnbull is the only midfielder that drives into the box. That's why he scores every week and everyone else is on 0, 1 or 2 goals for the season. It's also why I felt we really missed Hastie yesterday. Not saying he should play now that his future isn't here, just that we lack that type of player.

My Dumbarton supporting friend says he's way above that level.

Turnbull was the difference again....even they he was being doubled up on at times.

McHugh, by McHugh standards, was OK today but it's a bit of a stretch to say he was our best player. But even though he wasn't too bad today he still gives the ball away far too often and is far too slow for this level of football. The game was set up quite well for him today as he didn't have runners going by him and St. Mirren filling up areas rather than pressing the ball. We are a better team with Gorrin/Hastie than we are with McHugh/Cadden.

St. Mirren came for a point and got a point. Very different game from last week with St. Mirren sitting in and closing everything down. There wasn't many clear cut chances in the match but I thought there was actually some decent performances today even if it wasn't a pretty game. Agree the shape of the team got a bit messy towards the end with the substitutions but not defending balls into the box has been a problem all season.

Carl McHugh back in the side? <<<SHUDDER>>>

I think what has happened is that the linesman has flagged it for the ball being over the bye line. Didn't look like it to me. So two wrong decisions have added up to a correct one.

He might have needed the linesman to bail him out and the reason he's reversed his decision might even have been wrong but ultimately it wasn't a penalty and he didn't give it. Clancy lost control of the match and made some inconsistent decisions but any furor over the penalty is redundant since it should never have been given in the first place.

Just a wee stat. I make it that 18 of our last 23 goals have come from academy players.

Few good performances - Ariyibi, Campbell, but it has to be Turnbull doesn't it?

I actually thought the referee got the penalty decisions right today. Ariyibi went to ground then reached out and touched the ball, was definite penalty for me, and stupid from Ariyibi. On the other hand Turnbull was pretty cute but he's basically flicked the ball off the hand of the Dundee defender. There was no intent or deliberate hand ball on the part of the Dundee defender. Overall the game was highly entertaining and basically a bit mental. It's hard to judge the game because it was so open and we've made one of the worst teams in the last 20 years look like they could score at every opportunity. Then on the other hand we've responded several times and won it when we might have sat back and defended. Let's all just agree that Turnbull is incredible. Oh, and Gorrin is a far superior player to McHugh technically but I've criticised McHugh for rashness and his discipline so it's only fair I do the same with Gorrin. The guy needs to screw the head. He had about 4 dodgy tackles in the first 8 minutes and I predicted his red card long before it happened. I'd like Gorrin to be here next season but he needs to cut out the rash studs up challenges. So much happened today but it's worth pointing out the magnificent save Gillespie made at 3-3 (I think!)