wunderwell

A lot of good points there, as per my opinion on the AJ thread - gone to a jury's out status. He's stopped tinkering but there is some questionable subs at points - the more settled team has reaped benefits.

Posted at the same time GrizzlyG!

I think rather than championing Johansen out - I've changed my opinion to a neutral status. He's made some horrendous teething errors e.g Vogts Celtic but we've been decent to watch the last three.

Better performances certainly give us hope but the jury is still out.

Does mcglynn not combine both styles? I get the feeling people are snobbish about him in the same way Celtic and Rangers fans think every player they sign from anyone in Scotland is not good enough.

I've noticed you doing this parallel chat a few times - it's a reference to how fickle scots club are at chasing their managers. The in-game management from our manager lost us the game tonight. I think you should focus on that, and not what every other teams forums are shouting about.

I would hope the manager would be able to get a message out to control the situation. I know it doesn't work in every instance - but it would have been better than the control we lost by the substitution.

AJ's in-game management is extremely poor. We don't need to give up our mantra, we simply need to get a better version of what we have.

AJ can jog on as well! Happy exercise Grizzly!

As per @star sail words O'Donnell is a very experienced former International player getting paid a very reasonable wage to be a professional football player. To bring him on for the last 10 in his natural position to provide stability, freshness, respite to tired players is perfectly reasonable and legitimate. You cannot preempt the mistake that follows.

In any which we play - great, poor - in Scotland if you can't defend the area, you are relegation material. Couple of months until we can shore this up.

I wonder if we will all have the same amount of patience when we are playing Hamilton away after our first ever relegation from the SPL.

I think we did fine enough today performance wise but the reason I thought we would get beat today was devilment. Hearts are one of the worst team to play in these conditions because they can score with a header out of not much and that was going to make all the difference today.

I would say many would have forecasted an O’Donnell mistake. Will go the same was as Halliday soon and into permanent broadcasting.

Team! Connolly Koutroumbis Knight Lebel Moorman Longelo McGhee Hodge Fadinger Lowry Said Palmer Houlden A little bit more dig in that team, with further defensive midfield cover, a little bit more height as well. I've put Connolly in goals to present the team with a bit more of a Ward like figure, to replicate what we were doing last year.

Any dissenting voices calling for a change of management (including mine) could be proven wrong with a change of fortunes and I'll be the first to admit I was wrong and won't avoid putting my hands up! So that's the gamble here on your comment "I told you so" It only is correct if the situation gets worse and in time we suffer more losses and we should have acted faster to avoid a possible relegation.

I think if the board doesn't press the button soon we are condeming ourselves even further into the mire. The brave decision is the one to bin the manager. I don't expect any manager to take a team that finished 4th and end up 12th. That's not a far reaching expectation. We've lost five in a row. We will lose again next week and eventually the more we lean on listening to those that defend Johansen the more that will lead us all the way to playing Ross County and Hamilton next season. It's actually the gutless decision I think to do nothing. Kettlewell was far too long.

You know me grizzly would never fight with you and it’s all opinion driven. I think we might be repeating ourselves with the next week is all important though. What we all wanted to see, was that today was the day. Got to look at hearts midweek Pace, dynamism and bite. I fear for us.

He shouldn’t be given any longer. Said it last week. Sure there will be a six paragraph post explaining why I’m wrong again this week

It was at that point Alfie dropped his murray mints underneath Willy Vogts chair. 🤣

I'm very much reminded of the little Britain sketch where the spokesman stands outside the house excusing the behaviour of the politician. I don't buy this. Another form of tinkering and another negative on his part. Playing Hodge out of position against Celtic is the problem - so you are correct Hodge wasn't the issue. The manager playing him in that position was. There is so much chat of win a couple of games and we will be absolutely fine. I'd say there is more chance of losses. Look no one wants to be negative. I'd be happy to have got this all wrong come end of season but I'm forecasting I will be correct, in a safe space to do so.

I will only ever boo once again in my entire life, it will be firmly rooted at Grizzly. Stand up and joke for Motherwell gig - to be confirmed. Starring Raymond Mearns, Tam Cowan and welcoming Grizzly G.

Only ever booed once in my life at the team, but it was firmly rooted at the manager. Motherwell 2 St Mirren 3 - 12th May 2007.

Really well put, as ever, JWFC.

I seen this on Facebook and I am hearing it now. All this pundits thinking it’s so easy chat. I stated pre kick off and flung my hat in that the team was completely wrong. The only person that thought that team could beat Celtic was Johansen. Second of all on page one of the chat, I said why I wouldn’t have started O’Donnell and that’s also firmly on Johansen. I said he should have had managed game minutes. Johansen chose to not do that and flung him against Celtic. People want to see him fail line. No they don’t. We want to see him succeed but we have eyes and half a brain. It’s just the usual condescending reasons that we fans don’t know what we are talking about. Funnily enough I see it the other way round. Time will tell. What I do agree with is that’s it a moot point no way the board are going to do anything until that loss count increases.