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Whilst the continued debate goes on about Vale. Who will probably end up our 3rd striker. I think Nicholson will prove to be a good signing. Montgomery would have been as well.

Don't rub it in 😢

It's a shame about Montgomery. For me he was a good signing.

The P and L which is a loss of 1 million pounds includes this cost. Funded by a balance sheet item of a loan. You and I can go into politic speak about describing the same thing in two different ways. I do understand what you are saying. What I will say is the cost up front is probably set off against losses that would be incurred by paying to maintain the fully grass pitch over time. ie a P and L hit now for the greater good, as you say funded by the government but in time repayable. What is more concerning is that wages matched turnover because "we done well" as per Jim McMahons comments. Some finance model that. As I say again that's why we are pinching the pennies.

That my friend is still a loss in the p and l funded by long term debt. Still lost a million quid whether they borrowed it from the government or borrowed it from Taylor Swift.

Ok Killie Accounts! Due the same day as Motherwell this month. They lost 1.8 million in the season they won the D1 title. Running a wage bill of 3million. Still pretty hefty. Have a high list of creditors and borrowed 1 million from Scottish government. More difficult to decipher until later this month and the accounts of the return to the SPL. My gut is if Billy Bowie wants something then he will put the money in.

Half and Half I'd say this and salaries. Although one year out in comparison - later this month we can compare like for like. Turnover : 5.5 MILLION (St Mirren had same) WAGES: 5.2 MILLION (St Mirren 3.8) Other OPERATING EXPENSES: 2.1 MILLION (this is where the pitch comes into play - and savings here would have cut the million loss)

Again your not wrong but as I've guessed at earlier I think accounts are going to be grim reading for last season. So I think the board will not budge and do this two years in a row to save our season.

Correct look at the correlation of the league table. The bottom four are in exact order, the bottom four. https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/scottish-premiership/attendances

That's correct. You are right. I think what we can take away is they spent 1.4 million less than us in salaries. We lost a million, they broke even and just wait until we publish 2023 in line with them. 2 manager sackings and panic buys to stay in the league. That for me is why they are stronger just now and we are tightening up the purse strings. The board cant lose 7 figures two years in a row of "our money" in some ways. So get used to our new tighter squad whilst we work towards Break Even.

St Mirren also have loans due of 1.8 million. They publish a very detailed set of accounts. Last season they very much held their own on the P and L, and had 1.3 million in the bank. Although 1 year behind, Motherwells accounts showed 1.4 million overspend on St Mirren on staff wages with the SAME TURNOVER leading to a 1million Loss - new accounts will be filed this month.

25 to 50% of St Mirren are owned by Kibble Education and Care Centre with a turnover of £41 million pounds.

Rolling out that phrase again........snide as feck.

Google says. What is Jack Vale doing now? He is now producing (and starring in) several dramatic and comedic films in the family and faith-based genres. Fir Park sounds ideal.

I don't think we are far off at all from my post after that one. 4 of them are contracted along with Paton and Blaney BUT I missed someone so we are up to 8 including Halliday......Ross Tierney

Good info and shows the differentiation.

But isn't he really really comparable (certainly in my mind) and in goals per game as ollie shaw?

I would agree and for a suggestion I'd take the keeper at Raith all day long.

Trying to bring it back to the original post because it has gone sideways. It is likely that Kelly is one of, if not the top earner at the club. Do we want to spend budget here matching or bettering what he is on for a further contract extension?

It be easy to say Malpas but to add a bit of debate I will say McLeish. Some fantastic football in the season after Tommy Mclean left but bit by bit he managed to destroy that team. Also wasted monies others did not have on Roddie, McSkimming. etc. Ultimately he destroyed Tommys team.

That's what I have always thought.

So you think he should be top earner and that he is a priority of where we should put our budget. Right back at you I am glad you are not head of recruitment. Bet you suck at Monopoly.

It has been quoted and published before. Many have alluded to this. Are you saying it is wrong?

You need some consistency a brand new team will no doubt have it's number of bombscares. Some of the players are fine to have about in a squad format eg Mugabi.

Spittal for one. McGinn for two. Try sign Gent on a permanent but could be beyond us. I'd offer Kelly a contract to ponder but on less terms than he is on. The six are Casey, Blaney, Davor, Miller, Paton and Bair.