Kmcalpin

I would expect McHugh, when fit, to take over from Lasley and I hope MacMillan or Chalmers will be preferred to Hammell, but I'm not holding my breath on that one.

Agree with all of that. Celtic targetted Hammell from the off and took full advantage of his weaknesses. His positioning throughout the game was very poor and what on earth was doing at Celtic's 2nd? Still, he did create our 3rd goal. In fairness he alone didn't cause our downfall. We played well in the first half and deserved our 2-0 lead. Moult, McManus and Cadden showed up very well with the former taking his goals very well. Pity Cadden didn't receive the support he deserved when making surging runs. Celtic were clearly vulnerable when under attack. It was a blow when Cadden retired injured early in the second half and that clearly affected us. In the second half we simply disappeared and defended deeper and deeper and it was surprising that Celtic took so long to overtake us. Ainsworth's goal apart we did nothing of note and our defending was abysmal with Celtic finding gaps in our defence without even having to try. I thought though that McManus and Heneghan (error apart) stood up to Celtic well although Lasley, Clay, Tait and Hammell, were poor. Again we lacked fight, leadership and aggression in the middle. Luck didn't go our way when Kevin Clancy failed to punish Toure for a bit of wrestling in the box. Mistakes were also made off the field. I didn't understand why MacLean was hooked for MacMillan. An attacking player off and a defensive on at 3-3??? By all means bring MacMillan on ...for Hammell or Thomas on for ...MacLean though. Before kick off I'd have settled for a 4-3 defeat but given we took a first half lead of 2-0 it was very disappointing to capitulate with a barely a whimper. It really is a concern that we can't seem to play for more than 45 minutes.

Belic and Laing out is a good shout. Pearson coming back is a realistic shout but I think Lucas will be on his way. In terms of what I would like to happen, which is a bit different, I'd like to see a wide left player also coming in, but thats down to budgets - the vacancy there is causing us problems. Lucas may be the best player in the world but if he's never fit he's no use to us. IF Pearo doesn't return we'll need another all round or creative midfielder. I'd also like to see youngsters like Alan Campbell, Dom Thomas and perhaps Dylan Mackin go out on loan. Not sure about Luke Watt's current status.

Thats often said but it is really true? The young lads will take their lead from the likes of Mark McGhee, Keith Lasley, Stephen McManus and Stevie Hammell. I suspect they'll soak up a cautious safety first message. We need them to adopt a "have a go" attitude and if faced with a 50/50 decision to get wired in or back off get stuck in. All too often we've seen the likes of Chris Cadden charge up the park out of defence in these kind of games only to find nobody was prepared or able to back him up.

I agree but we simply don't have the midfield players to do that.

Point taken, but is he a better defensive player than Lasley? I agree about Hammell but doubt that Chalmers will be match fit.

Yes, but we also have to work far harder, when we aren't in possession, to close opponents down and deny them free crosses and shots or headers at goal.

I didn't make the game today but had to make do with listening to the radio which I detest, but can't resist. Commentators made a string of telling comments about us.....couldn't compete with Hearts....standing off Hearts.....losing all personal battles.....not working as hard as Hearts when not in possession.......creating nothing. So, we aren't talking yet about being outplayed by brilliant footballers but rather we just can't get the basics right. A lot, though not all, of this is down to an uncompetitive, slow and lacklustre central midfield. The starting line up was the same as last Saturday's and that only succeeded for 45 minutes then. Its a cautious, safety first line up with little in the way of creativity, certainly not right for today. That said the players themselves must shoulder some responsibility for a lacklustre performance. As Mark McGhee has said himself, if they aren't doing it then you train them to do things the right way and then if they still can't do it you punt them. Until other more experienced players are brought in then perhaps we ought to show more faith in young players ie persevering with Jack MacMillan at left back with Hammell or Chalmers as deputy. We definitely suffer from a lack of competitiveness and leadership in the engine room and once again it seems it was our downfall.

Any idea why Cadden was subbed?

I see that the Club's AGM will be held at 1900 hrs on 6 December with the Society's AGM being held an hour later on the same day.

Height by itself is not the be all and end all, although it is essential across a team. However if the player isn't tall he needs to be physically strong. Jimmy Johnstone comes to mind - he was only 5-4 but he was as strong as an ox and could could fend off challenges from much bigger players. Danny Swanson? You're right Captain he's not athletic at all but a narky, abrasive, physical player who will bite scratch and claw to win the ball or hold onto it. There's no way he'd have made teams managed by Tom Wright or Craig Levein otherwise. Character is also important and players like Billy Bremner or more recently Willo Flood are not the kind of guys you'd want to meet up an alleyway after dark. Why hasn't Dom really broken into the first team? Mark McGhee and Faddy are probably best placed to answer that as they'll see him 5 or 6 days a week, as Gadgey said.

I've said exactly this about players in general for a long time and been frequently castigated for it, but you're 100% correct. Its also the reason Hearts released Craig Moore.

Yes, good news indeed. I would like to see an October update though. Based on those figures the Society would have an annual income from pledges of around £130K.

On reviewing the highlights, it was interesting to have confirmed that we had a stonewall penalty turned down, when Louis Moult, I think, was manhandled to the deck. Another potentially costly refereeing error.

I can't say that I like doom mongering but I'm not the world's biggest optimist myself. When diehard fans are totally immersed in games they show it in different ways - not everyone cheers incessantly. I say live and let live unless the fan sitting next to you is roaring down your ear; cursing and oathing or taking exception to your cheering (yes its happened to me). I suppose for many folk the football is a release from the trials and tribulations of their normal lives and a way to let off steam. I had a work colleague who was a committed Ayr fan and the nicest guy you meet but for 90 minutes he just lost it. After the match he could discuss it in a rational and calm way! It takes all kinds.

Who else do we play in central midfield just now? I always assumed that Keith Lasley would have been used sparingly this season but due to circumstances beyond our control this hasn't been possible. When Partick had us under the cosh for almost the entire second half we lacked leadership and someone to stick his chin out and get wired in 35/40 yards from goal. Had Partick had someone like Iain Vigurs (for his shooting ability only) or Callum Paterson we could easily have lost 2 or 3 goals. We've lost too many "wonder" goals this season through giving the opposition free unhindered pot shots from just outside the box. Just for the record, I thought Craig Clay also had a poor game.

General consensus around us yesterday was, yes it was never a passback, but given the referee's unpredictable and inconsistent performance, Samson was 100% right not to trust him.

Agree 100%. Overall we deserved the 3 points which were very important in our position. I wasn't convinced by McGhee's line up but it did the job so credit to him. Thought that Moult, MacDonald and Cadden were the pick of the bunch with the first two in particular putting in a great shift. Ferguson and MacMillan both acquitted themselves well although the latter did look out of position, which of course he was. Samson had a reasonable game but will have been disappointed with the lack of cover in front of him which left him exposed to some 20/30 yard shots coming at him. Tait continues to improve but had a Jekyll and Hyde game. Some great defending but often caught out of position. Clay and Lasley disappointed me. They didn't shield the centre backs and the latter was guilty of some careless passing at times. After the break they both went AWOL. Our customary second half slump continues to vex me - today probably a combination of ultra cautious tactics, lack of fitness and tiredness. No sign of Stevie Hammell or Joe Chalmers - probably not match fit. Will we see much more of Hammell? Centre midfield continues to cause us problems but we are "limping" a bit towards the January window. Andrew Dallas made some utterly bizarre calls today but fortunately he didn't cause us any major problems. Overall a good, if somewhat frustrating day. * 3 points * a clean sheet * a top six slot * more game time for 2 youngsters * No obvious injuries Happy days indeed.

A close run thing between MacDonald and Moult with the former just shading it for me.

Good post. I too completed the survey and found it to be overly focused and limited and the way the questions were worded was a bit offputting. Still, as you say good luck to the chap.

For once good to read the club's side of the story. This hasn't always happened in the past and fans, perhaps understandably, swallow the player's comments or those of his agent hook line and sinker. .

In terms of season ticket prices I guess we'd be somewhere around the level of an English League 1 club. Prices for beverages and grub tend to be considerably higher in the English leagues. Don't forget that these clubs, including those in the English lower leagues, are benefitting from very lucrative TV deals.

All very well but is he right? Just because someone is scathing doesn't automatically mean they're right. I'd like to hear the club's point of view as well.

Really?

Or John...now that would cause problems.