David

That's a tad unfair I think, as I'm usually one of the more positive posters on the forum. As I said, I've stated how I feel at the moment. I could have said nothing, but figured I'd be honest. Will my feelings soften over time? Maybe. I actually think the opposite of what a lot of people are saying, where they believe that a level of success would see me change my thinking. If we were to actually continue as we are and crowds do dwindle mainly through indifference I'd likely find it tougher to keep away than I would if we were being successful. Fuck knows, I'm jaded to be honest, with the whole thing. The managerial situation has just been the straw I reckon.

Possible. If he does then there's nothing can be done about it. It's also worth pointing out that I'm only speaking for myself. It may very well be the case that the vast majority love McGhee, love the players, love the owner and everything turns out rosy.

No, I want the finances and crowd levels to reach a point where the owners have to actually listen and take on board what the fans believe. I listed my reasons for my thinking, and if you disagree on the players, the new manager and how Les has approached promoting the Well Society then that's fair enough. I simply don't like how business is being conducted at the moment.

Trust me, it's not something I'd welcome with glee, it's a last resort. The last thing I want is to be sat at home on a Saturday whilst the team play.

Unfortunately the support dwindling is the only real way of effecting change in the way the owner is thinking and going about his business. We've seen it time & again with other clubs, unless something affects the financial income nothing really changes. Most club owners are "money" people, and that's all they understand. Truth is, most of them believe they can get away with pretty much whatever they want, because they know that, unlike other businesses, fans of a football team will more often than not continue handing over their cash at the end of the day. I have to believe that the people responsible for bringing McGhee back knew about his reputation and how a fair amount of our support felt about him, right? But they appointed him regardless, because they know that whilst a lot of us will bitch and moan about it we'll still hand over our cash.

I think it's more a case of a build-up of recent events with this appointment pushing me over the edge if i'm being honest. The Well Society and what I can only really describe as its seeming indifference to those who have put their hard-earned into the club, the sale to Les Hutchison and his general demeanour towards the support in general and the way in which he seems to be trying to threaten the fans into buying into the Society, the haphazard way in which we've been spending (wasting more like) money on players, bringing in and paying wages to guys who the previous manager had no real intention of playing whilst the youth get zero opportunities. And now we bring back a manager who constantly had the air of someone who believed himself above the job and above our club when he was here last, and the truth is if we'd mentioned him as a possible returnee as little as six months ago it would have been met with widespread disapproval to say the least. But now? All past transgressions are forgiven and he's the man to lead the club into the future, eh? I've been a supporter of the club for 36 years, but I honestly believe that a lot of money men see football clubs as a venture where they can get away with the kind of behaviour that simply wouldn't be seen as acceptable in other businesses. The reason? Blind loyalty. In no other industry would the customer (which is what we are to the owners if we're honest) put up with the absolute nonsense that football fans of various clubs put up with and yet keep coming back for more? I love the club, but the truth is that the ownership, playing staff and now management is currently manned by people that I really don't want here. Blind loyalty would dictate that I do what's expected and simply mutter under my breath whilst still handing over my cash, right? Well, I'm fed up doing that to be honest. My feeling at the moment is that we currently have a playing squad that was instrumental in the removal of the previous manager (be he considered the correct appointment or not) by downing tools. I've watched shite Motherwell sides in the past, and this current lot weren't shite, they simply weren't trying. There were, in my opinion, influential players in that dressing room who performed well below their capabilities in order to see the removal of a manager they didn't like. There was no thought for the fans who pay an already extortionate amount of money to watch them both home & away. As I said, I can and have supported poor teams who simply are no good. This lot don't fall into that category. They weren't trying in my opinion, and that's unforgivable. So aye, feel free to take the moral high ground and consider yourself a better fan than I am simply because you're willing to accept what the board throw at you. I'm sure your money will be greatly welcomed. I'll follow the club as I always have, but I simply can't bring myself to put money into it in its current state.

Let's hope more than me decides to live with it by refusing to put money into the club in the future then, eh? An already dwindling support which will dwindle further after this appointment hopefully.

At least we get to listen to our manager talk about how good Celtic are after we lose. It'll be like old times.

McGhee's record isn't "patchy" it's fucking terrible since he left us. He's the 2nd worst Aberdeen manager of all time. He beat the likes of Roy Aitken, Steve Paterson, Jimmy Calderwood and Ebbe Skovdahl to that honour.

Bang on the money that man.

If you're pissed off now I can't wait to see your reaction when the Hearts questions start coming in a few months from now if he gets us playing well.

Just added some more facts to that report there.

Based on? What he did with us eight years ago? Or what he did afterwards with Aberdeen and Bristol Rovers? He's been out of the club game for three years and his record in the past eight years has been absolutely shambolic if we're honest. On the plus side he's coming in just in time to get hammered off Celtic, after which he'll give a post-match interview where he gushes over their "Champions League quality", and how we "can't possibly compete with them" and so on.

And when he fucks off the ship will be unsteady again...

Nah, I'd rather we moved forwards than backwards. He's closing in on 60, been sacked by his last two clubs and hasn't been involved in club management in three years. Surely there has to be a better option out there?

If he wins four or five on the trot we'll probably start hearing about how he's a wanted man by the likes of Hearts, and in true McGhee fashion he'll do fuck all to dispel those rumours.

The answer why they didn't wade in at Hampden is simple. They'd get more grief from grown adults than they do from kids.

Aye, I heard that. Nearly spat my tea all over the telly when he came away with that pish.

It's a way of doing things that has been happening on the continent for years now... No doubt some of our support (and the Scottish football authorities) would have a hairy fit if they saw such over the top atmosphere at one of our games. Flares? Smoke Bombs? Atmosphere? Fans who paid in yet aren't choosing to sit in their seats and watch the game?!?

At this stage I'd be more than happy with a point from this game, and I'd be ecstatic with all three.

No, I was simply answering a question about a hypothetical situation I suggested where we have an experienced manager over the short-term, with a younger assistant learning the ropes with a view to taking over. I also mentioned that if the future Les suggests has any real way of happening that a Director Of Football may be the way to go, and I said that I didn't believe Burrows was the man for such a position due to his inexperience.

It's a fake atmosphere because it's young folk who are making it, and not the moaning old cunts who like to hark back to the glory days of the "real" casuals and suchlike.

I'm not sure he has the experience required based on his...lack of experience. We've heard numerous arguments for not bringing in a novice manager, yet the position of Director Of Football should be any different?

Whatever it was, let's hope it knocks some passion and give-a-fuck-ability into him.

Time for Chalmers to step up and make that left back position his own. That's why he was signed.