steelboy

how did vigurs and lawson get this reputation as quality players? They played in a 4 man centre midfield for a county team who even in the first division were known for shitfesting games. Good players don't get stuck in the scottish lower leagues for five years or more like these two duds.

there were definitely some posters pointing out the lack of quality in the summer signings. You can make a case for them all individually but collectively the squad is a shambles and the buck stops with mccall. Between extensions, new signings and loans he's dished out about a dozen contracts recently so he has clearly had a decent level of resources available to him. With the club walking a financial tightrope i don't think we can afford to give him that financial leeway again. Mcghee, gannon and brown were all the right men at the right time but when circumstances changed they weren't up to the new task. Mccall is the same for me, he was the ideal man to run a steady ship when we had quality compared to the rest of the league but the task at hand has changed and i don't think he is cut out for it.

the majority of the 50 quid doesn't even end up with the society. If you take the season ticket discount that takes up the majority of the 50 quid and i'd guess other benefits and admin eats up the rest. The society has to have a viable future as no one else is putting any money into the club. The options are trustees who invest nothing or the society who invest something. The society model is obviously better.

he had a chance to build a squad this year and failed badly. Every single poster on here was looking for us to add pace and creativity and he signed guys with no speed or guile. Sacking him isn't a priority because no one is going to get this squad playing good football and we're not going to have any money to sign many players next summer. Our budget will make most of the choices for us in the foreseeable future. The biggest decision is whether or not to extend lasley and hammell and to a lesser extent mcmanus or bring in younger cheaper players.

Going forward we need to find a way to ditch our manager and the vast majority of our squad without costing us anything or accept we are going to be terrible until August 2015 and cut the budget to the bare minimum until then.

We played some great stuff under brown. 3 goal wins at pittodrie and rugby park, three absolute hammerings of hearts, sticking 4 past st johnstone, aalesunds, 6-6 and 3-3. Not bad for less than a year.

Why did we only have five players on the bench? After the no show at Perth, only using two subs against Aberdeen, not bothering to put a sub on against united and losing a goal with ten men and now this McCall has been having a nightmare recently with the basics of being a football manager.

i wasn't at the game but the albion rovers coach who watched us last week said they'd be hoping to keep it to 3 this is the team that mccall built

hutchy, murphy and reynolds all signed three year deals which is as long as you can expect 20 year olds in their positions to sign. If we can't sign players to longer deals we should look at giving them deals that expire whilst we are still due compensation but agents are probably wise to that.

I'd start Sutton and Moore to let them build a partnership and give big sutty a few cheap goals for his tally.

I think Dunfermline are still the benchmark for shite defending. Jason Thomson, Austin mccann, andy dowse and alex keddie will take some beating. Killie seem they like they should be better than they are. They probably can't afford it but they need to sack Johnston ASAP.

Moore. Sutton and Kerr runners up.

I was at the game and he was shocking. Young guys like Moore and Johnston looked lively, Faddy was embarrasing.

Moore, Sutton and Kerr played very well and the rest other than Faddy were decent. Killie are a poor, poor outfit and other than the wee number ten they were shocking. Our first away game in a month and it was another small away crowd. We usually take 800+ to killie, I'd guess we had about 400 today but I don't think they announced it. We'll see what effect the poor fare is having next Saturday.

We've looked extremely unfit this season so this can only be a good thing. I was hoping that McCall might cry off his kettle and cones duty this week but obviously not. Having a guy airdrie sacked in charge for any length of time doesn't sit right.

I read in the paper today that the Inverness players have given up there 5 days off during the international break to do extra training. I suppose there's no chance our players (or manager) have done the same thing following the shambles against united?

Anier has been terrible the past few games so Moore should start against killie with Sutton. If he doesn't pick up extending his loan is just more money down the drain. Hopefully McCall will be working hard with the players in training to improve our attacking play before the killie game.....

Short short term we should send Anier and ainsworth back to their clubs in January and have a serious discussion with Faddy about his future and contract. After that try and bring in a bit of creative quality on loan in January with any money freed up and blood erwin, Moore, Thomas and leitch to get an idea of what they can contribute to the first team. Next season we have Nielsen, Ramsden, cummins, Kerr, Angol, carswell, lawson, vigurs, Sutton and mchugh signed up. It's unrealistic to see us moving any of them on so there might be hard decisions to be made about renewing lasley, hammell, McManus and Hollis. Hutchy will be off. We've got a big rebuilding job and not a lot of scope to do it. The opportunity was there in the summer to reload the squad with young, hungry players but McCall chose to go the other way probably expecting a bit of short term success with experienced players winning him a move down south. With the contracts we've got it'll probably be summer 2015 before we can properly rebuild and I would be shocked if anybody in this squad other than hammell, carswell and a few of the younger ones are still here in two years time.

i only lasted an hour but i thought sutton's attitude and effort was first class

from carswell going down to getting off the pitch they had 2 minutes to make a sub but they let us play with ten men. Criminal.

I'd be quite confident with Rambo and mick playing together. Fingers crossed.

I'm Manchester that saturday so I'm definitely not going but this could be the first time in all my years supporting the well that it's been hard to get a ticket.

We can definitely score a few against united, their defence is murder. Hopefully McCall and black spend a bit of time with Anier this week as his effort can't be faulted but his positional play needs improving, if him and Sutton link up well they'll cause problems.

It's a bit different, he was training and not playing for four or five months before he signed for us and he was obviously trying to impress at Sunderland so he would have built up a decent fitness level doing that. It was painful to watch him struggle to get around the park at times today, he needs to pick it up.

We don't know how much training he actually does due to his knee problems.