steelboy

don't think so. larsson scored two hat tricks in a row then scored four against us in the no goram 1-7 game (i'm still raging at that!). tam cowan had said he'd chop his left baw off if larsson got a hat trick against us but then claimed he didn't have to cause he scored 4 not 3.

some good fixtures. if we get a good start against st j and killie we'll hopefully take a good crowd up to visit mr mcghee in abereen. h*n.s at fir park midweek is always good. we have a good record playing them at night midweek. two trips to edinburgh in december, the second one on dec 30th should be a belter. celtic at home in december as well, hopefully it'll be a three o'clock kick off (i love floodlights) accies at fir park on jan 2 should be a belter as well. then the scottish cup the week after.

i agree with everything ya beezer says but i'd add that selling our best player is hardly likely to entice any ambitous managers to fir park. the only way i'd sell him is if a big offer came in, £1m plus, and all the money could be used to for a new manager to bring in 3 or 4 good players. for me the ideal scenario is that clarky plays one more season for us bangs in 20 goals gets us back into europe again and then leaves to get paid a fortune down south. it'd probably be in his best interest as well, especially if you look at mcfadden who probably left too early and has had a very mediocre club career and compare him to mcdonald who waited (or was forced to wait) longer and is benefiting from it now. i also expect jamie murphy to move up a level next season, he's a good finisher and if he is given a chance through the middle i could see him hitting double figures.

i'm worried about managers thinking that than sky sports.

it's better just to be patient now, even if we have to wait a week or two to get the right man it's better than rushing it and fucking things up. the fitness coach and porteous are still at the club and it'll be them who have designed the preseason training so they should be able to implement it no problem.

would we not have been better playing saunders or murray in the games lasley played at right back? or giving a young guy a chance rather than playing mcgarry in centre mid at rugby park? or trying out a youngster rather than sticking paul quinn in any posistion we were short in? bringing through young players is a neccesity for a club like ours. it's the cheapest way to keep a decent sized squad and your best bet at getting some transfer money in.

whit! that's nonsense france, germany and holland get well more for a start.

as well as turning the east stand into the playboy mansion and carrying out a stalinesque purging of the 'well fans this is the team i'd put on the park for the first day. buzz quinn reynolds craigan hammell hughes lasley pearson mccormack clarkson mcfadden keep it in the family.

the two of them are free agents so they can basically do what they want regardless of mcghee. i can't see hughes ending up in aberdeen and maros could end up anywhere. he's already said he couldn't afford the pick of our under contract players so we don't have that much to worry about there.

nijholt or mccallister for me now. if we get luke he'll probably be able to get us in a few decent foriegn lads, maybe even someone along the lines of bauben at dundee united who was freed at ajax but is a decent player for the spl. if we get gary mac it'll be a sign JB is willing to spend a bit of cash and he'll probably fund a couple of porter/hughes type signings. either one of the two and a new faces will have us bouncing first day no matter what happens in europe.

i've been pointing this out for a while. the hammell, mcfadden, lasley and pearo generation left and got paid elsewhere. as mcghee has pointed out reynolds, quinn and clarkson will soon be getting offers they can't refuse. who's coming up behind them? apart from jamie murphy, no one. hutchison, slane, mchugh, saunders and page look a decent group but they're all too young to make a big impact for maybe two or even three years. this means we'll need to waste money bringing in mcgarry level guys to fill out the squad which could be spent on bringing in quality. on a bit of a brighter note ross forbes apparently did well at dumbarton, anyone know if he's still under contract next season?

do you watch much of the spl? calderwood has had a far larger budget at aberdeen than he would have at motherwell and in his time there signed plenty of duds - dan smith, tommy wright, jeffrey de vischer to name a recent few - and constantly changes the team and played players out of posistion. he also hangs the players to dry after every defeat. kilmarnock under jefferies are a near enough unwatchable land of the giants kick and rush mob who had about 40 yellow cards more than any other team in the spl this season, nae fair play league with him in charge. and like calderwood he's a terrible loser.

we'll definitely be signing players though i'm not sure i'd want kevin kyle, he was rank against us at RP and most of his goals seemed to come from defensive howlers. i think john boyle will be desperate to finish above aberdeen this season and he'll back a new manager in the same way he backed mcghee - which he did while turning a profit. with all the freed up wages, money for porter and the compo for mcghee there has to be cash to strengthen.

i have been having a think today about how i'll feel about mcghee in years to come and what his influence on our club has been. as much as he's pissed us all off over the last few weeks (or even months) it would be stupid not to recognise what he did for the club. PROS reinstated a sense of profesionalism at the club. he took the most unfit squad in the league and made them the fittest. mcgarry and jim paterson went from fat bastards to actual athletes. turned around clarky and quinn. two years there were numerous threads on this board saying clarky should be hunted and most people had a very low opinion of quinn as well, now they're two of our most important players and will probably either end us bringing us in some cash or making themselves a fortune. obviously the two of them have to take a great deal of credit but mcghee must have played his part got us playing good football. we'll never forget the highs of his first season but even this season when we've been distinctly mediocre we've been decent on the eye to watch and keener to pass the ball than most other teams in the league. hopefully with the new pitch this will continue but we're in for a shock if we get a long ball merchant in as a manager as i think most 'well fans expect it on the deck now. CONS signings - if you consider that hughes and hammell actually wanted to sign for us and that porter only signed because it was less of a drive for his bird than dundee his transfer activity wasn't that impressive. bob malcolm was a disaster, jim o'brien might turn out to be a good signing but we needed to replace mccormack and he came nowhere near and john sutton was the wrong player for our style of play. klimpl was good but wasn't much use but was injured for ages. sheridan and lappin were decent loans but didn't contribute that much, grabbin and the turkish boy were pointless. we only just missed the top six this season and with a wee bit extra strength in depth we probably would have made. young players - didn't play anyone who hadn't made their debut before he arrived more than three times. even in the bottom six games he didn't experiment much and on the final day we had the ridiculous sight of malcolm and mcgarry coming on. we've got noboby aged 20 or 21 coming through and that will seriously hurt us in a year or so's time. imo the worst thing he has done here. tactics - the original formation and style of play were great but his inability to deviate from it was a joke. there were too many baffling choices to go into but very often his inconsistency of thought and ability to make decisions cost us. the man quite often beat himself. overall - the good outweighs the bad, there are memories that will live forever and we achieved and witnessed things we could never have expected this time two years. we should now use this as an opportunity rather than a setback. bring in a manager who will be more commited, will make better signings, will take a longer term view of the club and won't make as many daft decisions by thinkings he's cleverer than he is. our fate is in john boyle's hands now. two years ago the club was being run into the ground and since then he's turned it round in many ways. some things have take longer than others but the club seems to be run well now and i hope JB will go the extra mile to bring the right man in and move us forward again.

i'd buy the club then start banning fans from fir park left right and centre. i'd then redevelop the east stand as a super vip box for the 40 or 50 so remaining fans with jacuzzis, bars and topless waitresses. i'd knock down the other stands and replace them with massive walls engraved with my 'well heroes. apart from that business as usual.

fair enough i just think that soon enough we're going to have to accept that the three of them are going to leave for better things probably sooner rather than later. faddy, pearo, hammell and lasley all left to try and improve themselves and these three deserve that chance as well.

it's not going to happen though. when his contract is up he'll have overs worth far more than we could ever offer waiting for him. he'll know that and so will his agent. why would anyone sign a contract that would end up with them earning less than their potential?

again agree 100%. i honestly believe he'll have learned his lesson from the malpas debacle and will deliver again. there must be plenty of capable people out there who would jump at the chance of being motherwell manager and jb and dempster should be able to seperate them from the likes of mccall, robertson and brewster no problem.

totally agree. but hibs pulled mowbray out of nowhere on the strength of an application and interview. his appointment and first press conferences were roundly mocked but looked how well it turned out. that's what we should be aiming for.

the three of them will be heading south. aberdeen couldn't keep chris clark, there's no chance they'll get any of them. when they leave we'll be in deep shit however.

i don't agree with you at all. malpas and mcghee were about the same level as players. mcghee before he came to motherwell had no managerial achievements which would impress our squad. so they basically started off on the same level. the difference is mcghee demanded high standards of fitness and commitment. while malpas spent very little time at the club and set a poor example to the players. on the park he gave very little guidance and most of his tactics were stick ten men behind the ball and hit it at mcdonald. here's another example. if i became england manager and did exactly what fabio cappello has down to the finest detail it wouldn't have worked, the england players respect cappello and they wouldn't respect me. there are plenty of people out there smart enough to be effective football managers in every aspect except controlling and influencing players. why wenger and mourinho have been able to do this is a mystery.

because players have to respect the manager enough to do what he tells them. look what happened to newcastle when the players lost respect for bobby robson or le guen at rangers. the players at barcelona had looked up to guardiola since they were kids, the same thing goes for walter smith at ibrox and when mcghee came into motherwell you can guarantee the players were getting him up on wikipedia and finding out what he had done in the game. you live in america, who are the best coaches in the NFL, college football or american football? generally it's not ex players, it's guys like bellicheck, coack k or urban meyer who have spent more time studying the game than playing it. wenger and mourinho have had success along similar paths but it seems that in football players are generally unwilling to play for some who hasn't played at a level equal to them.

can you get mfc dog collars? for actual dugs though no for ministers or kiddy fiddlers.

i totally agree with you but i'd imagine that if we were to start the process of finding a new candidate prior to his departure it may effect our ability to claim compensation. hopefully we'll take our time and find the right man, we're looking for someone for the next 3/4 years not for the game in 22 days.

a guy just won the champions league with zero experience. being a football coach isn't that difficult. the difference between malpas and mcghee was mcghee made the players train hard and told them to pass the ball to each other and malpas didn't. there are five guys who have walked out on the club before, an old man who wrote poison pen letters about his own assisant. john hughes is a retard, jeffreries is a miserable old c**t and calderwood is like a shiter version of mcghee (constant tactic and formation changes and players out of posistion) who blames his players for everything. no wonder luc is top. we just need someone who is intelligent and is willing to work hard and make others do the same. as soon as we get shot of mcghee we should ask for applications and start interviewing then may the best man win.