mio Posted September 9 Report Share Posted September 9 As far as I have been made aware (and as much as I think gemmill was hopeless prior to Clarke) Gemmill is playing his sides in a way Clarke wants him to play so they have continuity if the players progress to a full international. my argument is this horrible football is being installed in youngsters, hampering their development in a modern game. anyway… cest la vie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted September 9 Report Share Posted September 9 57 minutes ago, robsterwood said: That could come back to haunt Clarke bringing on those 3 stooges again and no doubt he will . If he does it against Greece next month in second half and we're needing a win or even salvaging a draw, he and Scotland are done. McClean is average journeyman at best and now 33. Dykes can't even get on bench for Birmingham. Also Christie plays centre mid for Bournemouth yet Clarke sees him as a headless chicken wide midfielder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted September 9 Report Share Posted September 9 33 minutes ago, mio said: As far as I have been made aware (and as much as I think gemmill was hopeless prior to Clarke) Gemmill is playing his sides in a way Clarke wants him to play so they have continuity if the players progress to a full international. my argument is this horrible football is being installed in youngsters, hampering their development in a modern game. anyway… cest la vie Interesting. Any time Ive watched the u21s they didnt look like they were playing the same way. Also spoken to guys who watch the u21s a lot and they arent complimentary re Gemmill. Not sure eits the be all & end all though. Most are being coached at their clubs in a varaition of styles/tactics and some (Hickey) just miss the u21s all together. Anyway, this is turning into a Tartan Army chat. I look forward to Lennons first Udinese appeparance and his upward trajectory to world domination and the Ballon d'Or!  1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mio Posted September 9 Report Share Posted September 9 17 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said: Interesting. Any time Ive watched the u21s they didnt look like they were playing the same way. Also spoken to guys who watch the u21s a lot and they arent complimentary re Gemmill. Not sure eits the be all & end all though. Most are being coached at their clubs in a varaition of styles/tactics and some (Hickey) just miss the u21s all together. Anyway, this is turning into a Tartan Army chat. I look forward to Lennons first Udinese appeparance and his upward trajectory to world domination and the Ballon d'Or!  Don’t even get me started on the tartan army 🤣 yes I very much look forward to young Lennon playing but I would think he’ll have a bit of a wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted September 9 Report Share Posted September 9 1 hour ago, joewarkfanclub said: No issues with anyone not liking Clarke or the way he sets his teams up. I would have happily seen him gone after the Euros. But he isnt as set in his ways as some make out. He does learn from some of his mistakes. Take the Ukraine WC play off and subsequent Nations League games. After the Euros he changed from a 5 at the back to a 4 at the back. We are in a a strong position now. If we can get two positive results in the next camp we will be in touching distance to qualify, which in itself is important regardless of how we do if only for the sponsorship and revenue it brings into our game. I agree re Gemmill though. Id ditch him tomorrow. I'm not convinced he learns from his mistakes - otherwise he wouldn't have played the way he did in our second Euros under him. Same tactics. Same embarrassing exit with a whimper as the first time. Also, the last Greece game at Hampden was a catalogue of errors. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted September 9 Report Share Posted September 9 30 minutes ago, weeyin said: I'm not convinced he learns from his mistakes - otherwise he wouldn't have played the way he did in our second Euros under him. Same tactics. Same embarrassing exit with a whimper as the first time. Also, the last Greece game at Hampden was a catalogue of errors. Thats why I said "some of his mistakes". To be fair to him, prior to Germany he lost Hickey, Paterson, Doak and Dykes which restricted the way he was able to play. During the tournament he also lost Hanley thru stupidity and Tierney thru injury. My biggest bugbear about it (other than not plalying Gilmour alongside Calamac in the first game) was that in the final game we knew we had to win and we didnt go with a back 4 despite Tierney not being available. He also made his subs way too late. He did introduce Doak and go back 4 in the Nations League though and our performances were much better as a result. First half in Athens was very good, but I agree he didnt learn from the second half in advance of the home game. I dont expect that to happen again this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted September 9 Report Share Posted September 9 As I've said a few times, I give Clarke credit for taking an absolute shambles of a national team setup and turning it around into a competitive outfit. I think the last Euros should have been the end of the line for him, though, as it felt that he had reached his coaching limit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spit_It_Out Posted September 9 Report Share Posted September 9 Knowing the SFA they will sack Clarke and hire Gemmell then it will fall to bits again but yeah i think he should have went after the Euros. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted September 9 Report Share Posted September 9 3 hours ago, joewarkfanclub said: Thats why I said "some of his mistakes". To be fair to him, prior to Germany he lost Hickey, Paterson, Doak and Dykes which restricted the way he was able to play. During the tournament he also lost Hanley thru stupidity and Tierney thru injury. My biggest bugbear about it (other than not plalying Gilmour alongside Calamac in the first game) was that in the final game we knew we had to win and we didnt go with a back 4 despite Tierney not being available. He also made his subs way too late. He did introduce Doak and go back 4 in the Nations League though and our performances were much better as a result. First half in Athens was very good, but I agree he didnt learn from the second half in advance of the home game. I dont expect that to happen again this time. Poor Hanley gets blamed for everything...do ye not mean Porteous? 🤪🤪 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted September 9 Report Share Posted September 9 2 hours ago, grizzlyg said: Poor Hanley gets blamed for everything...do ye not mean Porteous? 🤪🤪 Aye! Ah did! 😆😆😆 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stv Posted September 10 Report Share Posted September 10 https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/15322623/partick-thistle-ian-baraclough-honeymoon-freak-accident-mauritius/ Hadn't heard about this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelmaninOZ Posted September 10 Report Share Posted September 10 15 minutes ago, stv said: https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/15322623/partick-thistle-ian-baraclough-honeymoon-freak-accident-mauritius/ Hadn't heard about this Lucky bloke some honeymoon. Wish him well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andalg Posted September 10 Report Share Posted September 10 I see Kai Andrews made his senior Wales debut this week. Another loan player we turned into an international 😃 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistandshout1983 Posted September 10 Report Share Posted September 10 On 9/9/2025 at 8:56 PM, wellgirl said: I don't care if we play the most honking football there is. I want us to qualify - we can worry about Clarke later Absolutely 💯 this I am a Scotland fan , and much rather we qualify playing c**p than not qualify at all On the evidence of recent games though I am much more looking forward to a Well game now the international break is finished Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted September 14 Report Share Posted September 14 Feel dirty for saying this but I was pretty happy to see Celtic beat Killie with a last minute winner today.  Most importantly it keeps us a point ahead of Kilmarnock but of course it also sickens Kettlewell and deprives him of a result he couldn’t get whilst with us - a home draw with Celtic.  Roon ye Dracula! Stick yer paper roses up yer arse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted September 14 Report Share Posted September 14 Every away team that is required to play on that embarrassment-to-Scottish-football of a pitch should be awarded 2 penalties per match as compensation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mio Posted September 14 Report Share Posted September 14 Wee Eddie Munster was having a meltdown in that post match interview. good times 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted September 14 Report Share Posted September 14 12 minutes ago, wellgirl said: Looks like they were pretty much robbed of a penalty themselves and the one against them looked questionable. But who cares - fuck them. Yes I think I’d be pretty raging if that was given against us but it wasn’t against us so…there we are. And we’re now a point, and a goal, ahead of Kettlewell’s Killie so I’ll take that. After the frustrations of the last few games I’ll enjoy this particular positive. 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted September 14 Report Share Posted September 14 14 minutes ago, weeyin said: Every away team that is required to play on that embarrassment-to-Scottish-football of a pitch should be awarded 2 penalties per match as compensation. I was switching between the Burnley v Liverpool game and the Killie game the difference in the pitches was shocking, how the SFA / SPFL allow it to be used for top level games is a disgrace. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted September 14 Report Share Posted September 14 29 minutes ago, wellgirl said: Looks like they were pretty much robbed of a penalty themselves and the one against them looked questionable. But who cares - fuck them. The Celtic penalty was a stonewaller to be fair, arm away from the body, ball heading for goal deflected away, an easy one for VAR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted September 14 Report Share Posted September 14 1 minute ago, wellgirl said: I think their fans are trying to say the ball smacked off another player and then hit the player that the penalty was given against. I've not watched it yet though. It did take a slight deflection but not much, with the arm away from the body though it was always going to be given, especially as the ball was on target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistandshout1983 Posted September 14 Report Share Posted September 14 Definitely has not been a bad weekend at all results wise I was happy with Hibs drawing with Dundee United , said it last night the gap from 3rd to 10th/11th is so close right now anything could happen  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well_said Posted September 14 Report Share Posted September 14 31 minutes ago, Spiderpig said: The Celtic penalty was a stonewaller to be fair, arm away from the body, ball heading for goal deflected away, an easy one for VAR The penalties that the arse cheeks get all stonewallers if you listen to their scumbag fans. Fortunately I dont. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well_said Posted September 14 Report Share Posted September 14 28 minutes ago, Spiderpig said: It did take a slight deflection but not much, with the arm away from the body though it was always going to be given, especially as the ball was on target. It will always be given if it is the arse cheeks , no chance any other team , especially when it leads to a defeat for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted September 14 Report Share Posted September 14 53 minutes ago, Spiderpig said: The Celtic penalty was a stonewaller to be fair, arm away from the body, ball heading for goal deflected away, an easy one for VAR See, I can understand why it was given but I think stonewaller is pushing it. I get his hand is out from his body, but it deflects onto his arm from close range and I felt he was trying to bring his arm towards his body rather than away from it. I actually thought the one on the line a few minutes earlier was more of a shout as it stopped a certain goal. But thats not the rule anymore (if it ever was) so probably the correct decision. Edit: feck Kettlebell! 😆😆😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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