Spiderpig

I see Hibernian are taking decisive action with some of their support for allegedly misbehaving, i wonder if it will catch on. Hibs ban fans group for three games after disorder - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cmde8dx2263lo

Thats the best way to find out if all the coaching, words of wisdom, confidence boosting, tactics etc that AJ and his staff have no doubt given Vogts in recent weeks has been absorbed and learned by the player. Sadly for me after his lack of any meaningful contribution last Sunday the answer would seem to be no. Stamatelopoulos was not up to standard but early on he gave glimpses of him potentially being a decent player, we dont even get that with Vogt, hes like a rabbit in the headlights no idea where he should be aimlessly wandering about the pitch. For me i really dont think hes at the or ever going to make the standard we need at the club.

AJ has had to totally rebuild the team over the summer, losing players of the quality of Just, Watt and Slattery, with all their goals from midfield, Welsh and McGinn( long term injury) from defence. Add to that Maswhanise having a once in a career (Bair / Higdon )season and the ongoing 1st pick. Players like JK and priestman still out wiith long term injury no wonder we are struggling. It will take time to get a settled team, and all the 1st pick players back available, so why dont we cut AJ some slack. We are no worse off than last season at this stage in this league 3 or 4 wins and its suddenly top 6 etc as we saw last year. Judging and condeming the manager after a 4 game poor run is nonsense, coyw.

Aye he was great for us, nothing we could do keep him though as he was well out of our reach financially, we gave him a platform and he took his chance well, i hope he does well and gets a chance to play in the EPL with Swansea.

Stop feeding the troll, its best practice never to argue with an idiot as they drag you down to their level then beat you with experience.

It was a Starting 10, playing Vogt is like taking the field with a man down.

Vogt needs to convince a lot of people that hes capable of making a positive contribution to the team as hes shown feck all evidence of it in his game time so far.

Nah no chance of us being involved in any relegation or playoff dramas, for me Killie, St Mirren and St Johnstone are the bottom three. I am confident we will finish top six again.

I see in the ticket prices for Sunday, an adult ticket in the POD is £5 dearer than the Cooper and Hunter stands for a crappy inferior seat. All the other categories are the same accross thd three stands, so just the Adult fans being charged more, so much for a club that allegedly cares about its supporters, its a feckin disgrace tbh.

The ugly sisters continue to think they are among the great European teams and continue to waste ridiculous amounts of money on bang average players, that nobody else wants. They get found out every year in Europe when they play and reminded that in the Grand scheme of things they are two average at best teams in a euro diddy league, the SPFL would be such a better place without them.

The Celtic fans should be moved into the POD, that seems the best way to resolve the "new seat" shambles and get some decent new ones at no cost to Motherwell, simples.

Harsh but fair.

Nah probably no cards but they all seem to turn up at matches wearing the same clothes every week, some with matching balaclavas that might indicate some organisation or it might just be coincidence.

Its all very well having a healthy debate on the subject, its good to get everyomes viewpoint and opinions but the stark reallity is that the club and the WS are doing feck all despite having ample time to come up with a solution, a bit like the POD seating shambles The nice social media statements asking fans to stop havent worked, the next round of cosy chats with those perceived to be involved may make a difference, but if they dont whats the clubs and the WS's next move?

Quite easily, if the pyro displays, pitch incursions, or any other violation of the stadium code of conduct was seen to originate from a certain area of the ground, then suspend all ST't in that area and dont sell tickets for any infividual seats, .

The club have the final say who gets into the ground or not, they are judge and jury re any alleged infringements of the ground rules, code of conduct etc not the police. So the club can ban any individual or group they want from the ground, suspend ST's etc If however these infringements also break any current laws in force then yes the police should be involved as they have a duty of care re public saftey, although i would not hold my breath waiting for that to happen. Nothing is difficult here, how much cash are the club willing to waste on fines and sanctions before they take decisive action, instead of sitting back paying the fines and hoping the problem will go away.

Aye ok then, have lots of negotiations and ask them all nicely to behave knowing they will ignore you because they know nothing will happen. Then the club can start to worry about the next lot of fines or sanctions heading to Fir park for the club to cover, tens of thousands wasted due to their inabillity or willingness to take any action.

The club needs to grow a set and get tough, whatever you think about the rules and regulations at the ground they are there for a reason for all fans to follow and comply. The only "negotiation" required is "listen carefully i shall say this only once" anymore pyro displays, pitch incursions, or behaviour contrary to the code of conduct will not be tolerated, and groups or individuals identified as culpable will be banned from the ground, areas of the stadium shut etc. Is that clear.

My thoughts as well and for me thats the best attitude to have, but the club and/ or the WS need to grow a set and deal with the issues, before the vast majority of the fans begin to suffer due to the actions of the entitled minority.

As you know Dave im not a WS member and never will be, as ive always maintained that the club is too small for true fan ownership, so i get the impression that the WS reps are quite happy to take the recognition of a seat on the board etc, but on a sit quietly and say nothing basis. For me they are only informed about. What the club board wants them to know and the wont raise their heads above the parapet to raise the real issues, ie fan conduct, inadequate seating, ridiculous kick off times etc. The fans are contributing significant amounts of cash into what is effectively a rainy day fund for the board but get no significant information or consultation on any major desicion affecting the club in return. True fan ownership would see the WS memers as individual shareholders in their own right and collectively the major shareholder, so change is required.

Controversial post, on here the wee angels in block E can do no wrong in the eyes of some posters. As i said in an earlier post the club know who is responsible for 99.99% of any recorded incidents, and before anyone jumps in with" it might only be certain individuals" they gather as a group collectively so they must be prepared to accept the blame colletively for any wrong doing. The club needs to toughen its stance before it ends up spending all its spare cash on fines.

Would the mass pyro displays at the start of the Freiburg away game and various other matches this season so far fall into that category? The club officials can see who is responsible and so far seem to have taken no action, the fines so far add up to a serious chunk of change, for me sterner direct action is required as nice please dont statements from the club dont seem to be cutting it.

I see Hibs are following our lead from last year in appointing an unknown foreign head coach / Manager, Marink Reedijk, never played pro football just like AJ. So no doubt it will be no more kick and chase in Leith, we have started a managerial revolution.

Thats the aspect of VAR that really annoys me, it was brought in for" clear and obvious errors" only, now every goal is actively checked for reasons to disallow it. If you need umpteen different TV angles, freeze frame, and close up zoomed in still images etc to spot the ball glancing off an arm below the T shirt line etc, its not clear and obvious. The whole thing needs binned, but unless the clubs get together and tell the SFA its a heap of crap, nothing will change.

"Our next win" why do people think that 7 games into the season after 3 defeats that our season is over ffs. This is Motherwell, we are not going to win every game, a few bad results and its "has AJ lost the dressing room", hes "never played football" so he cant manage BS. Folk need to dry their pants and calm down, yes the team has issues that need addressed but im sure the management team will sort it out znd find the right balance for the team. With all the injuries we've had AJ has neer had the luxury of a full squad to pick from, so going forward that should ease.