grizzlyg Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 2 hours ago, smiddy said: Hi heedz that far up his own arse at times. He canny see his mistakes anyway he just talks round in a circle for 10 mins and diversifys away from the subject by talking about budgets and our injury crisis "Hey Brian, we all need to take ownership, myself included ". Kettlewell post match about a dozen times this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witchfindergeneral Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 No Kettlewell out shouts this morning then? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 45 minutes ago, witchfindergeneral said: No Kettlewell out shouts this morning then? Wellfan must be having a lie in or back to work I'm sure the posts will appear at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellfan91 Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 48 minutes ago, witchfindergeneral said: No Kettlewell out shouts this morning then? Here Here....absolutely baffles me our support think we could get a better manager for the peanuts we pay. It's been evident in Kettlewell's time with us that he gets it wrong from time to time but always has 100% backing from the players which can't be said for his predecessors. When/if he loses the dressing room that'll be the time for change but for now we have to stick by him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santheman Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 Could be worse. We could be St Johnstone fans. Be careful what you wish for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 13 minutes ago, santheman said: Could be worse. We could be St Johnstone fans. Be careful what you wish for. Indeed as usual whenever we are looking for a new manager Valakari will be the first name quoted, I'm glad we ignored him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 7 minutes ago, Spiderpig said: Indeed as usual whenever we are looking for a new manager Valakari will be the first name quoted, I'm glad we ignored him. To be fair to Valikari, he is just in the door and hasnt had a window yet to move some players on and get his own in. That said, their results have not improved despite him changing their style of play and making them easier on the eye. Maybe shitfesting games is the way to go after all? 🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 1 hour ago, Spiderpig said: Wellfan must be having a lie in or back to work I'm sure the posts will appear at some point. Give it a rest. You’re the one with more interest in what I’ve got to say on here than what I have in Kettlewell. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stv Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 2 hours ago, witchfindergeneral said: No Kettlewell out shouts this morning then? Kettlewell must go. Clueless. Not smart enough , top six is a false position, no selfcontrol always getting sent off , winning is just pure luck , he just signs injured donkeys. Anyone who says different is just a happy clapper . 👏👏 There now is that good enough for ye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 It’s always amusing to see adults reduce themselves to the usual childish behaviour in their quests to belittle those critical of Kettlewell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 1 hour ago, wellfan said: Give it a rest. You’re the one with more interest in what I’ve got to say on here than what I have in Kettlewell. Dont flatter yourself , your obsession with SK became boring a long time ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 37 minutes ago, Spiderpig said: Dont flatter yourself , your obsession with SK became boring a long time ago. I’m not flattering myself, you’re doing that for me with your habit of continually engaging with my critique of Kettlewell and posting directly to/about me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 3 hours ago, Wellfan91 said: Here Here....absolutely baffles me our support think we could get a better manager for the peanuts we pay. It's been evident in Kettlewell's time with us that he gets it wrong from time to time but always has 100% backing from the players which can't be said for his predecessors. When/if he loses the dressing room that'll be the time for change but for now we have to stick by him. I agree with part about the backing. Definitely has the players on his side. I have been a fan but he does frustrate me and more and more he seems to enjoy the sound of his voice, the word 'summarise' is one he isn't familiar with . The constant yellow and red cards are also becoming a tad tedious. There are folk that just can't accept him and desperate for him to go. I think he needs to adapt playing style but remember we had same with Robinson ( probably worse) and Alexander so it's not as if we have a recent record of attractive football. The McGhee first season 2007/2008 probably the best we had this century Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellon Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 1 hour ago, wellfan said: I’m not flattering myself, you’re doing that for me with your habit of continually engaging with my critique of Kettlewell and posting directly to/about me. Don't think anybody is flattering you lad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santheman Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 1 hour ago, grizzlyg said: I agree with part about the backing. Definitely has the players on his side. I have been a fan but he does frustrate me and more and more he seems to enjoy the sound of his voice, the word 'summarise' is one he isn't familiar with . The constant yellow and red cards are also becoming a tad tedious. There are folk that just can't accept him and desperate for him to go. I think he needs to adapt playing style but remember we had same with Robinson ( probably worse) and Alexander so it's not as if we have a recent record of attractive football. The McGhee first season 2007/2008 probably the best we had this century See this is the thing. I sit within earshot of him and Kettlewell has always been VERY vocal on the sidelines and imo he's not any more vocal now than he was last season. Is it just a coincidence that he's had these cards since he came out and openly criticised the Refs and VAR decisions? Don't get me wrong, he should learn to control himself on the touchline and not give the Refs the opportunity to flash the cards in the first place but I think he's become a bit of a target for them. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well_said Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 27 minutes ago, santheman said: See this is the thing. I sit within earshot of him and Kettlewell has always been VERY vocal on the sidelines and imo he's not any more vocal now than he was last season. Is it just a coincidence that he's had these cards since he came out and openly criticised the Refs and VAR decisions? Don't get me wrong, he should learn to control himself on the touchline and not give the Refs the opportunity to flash the cards in the first place but I think he's become a bit of a target for them. The standard of the referees in this country is at an all time low and there are no signs of any improvement. I can see why he gets so animated because he sees the same as we do and we don't exactly sit and keep quiet when these ridiculous decisions are happening. The ref we had yesterday is supposedly one of the better ones but he has referred like a novice twice in the last four weeks at fir park. It's no wonder he loses the plot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 49 minutes ago, wellon said: Don't think anybody is flattering you lad. Perhaps the wit is lost on you or perhaps you’ve also proven my point. Take your pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellon Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 6 minutes ago, wellfan said: Perhaps the wit is lost on you or perhaps you’ve also proven my point. Take your pick. OK thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mortonhallwell Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 2 minutes ago, well_said said: The standard of the referees in this country is at an all time low and there are no signs of any improvement. I can see why he gets so animated because he sees the same as we do and we don't exactly sit and keep quiet when these ridiculous decisions are happening. The ref we had yesterday is supposedly one of the better ones but he has referred like a novice twice in the last four weeks at fir park. It's no wonder he loses the plot. We supporters get incredibly frustrated with useless officials but it must be worse when your job may well suffer due to incompetent refs. Kettlewell and the players prepare meticulously for each game only to find the plan ruined because the ref makes crazy decisions. I can fully understand Kettlewells annoyance as it must be so difficult to stand on the touchline and say nothing while the ref makes himself the centre of attention in every game. I just wish Collum would remind his refs that the best ones are those who go about their business quietly but efficiently and don't need to flash cards in order to maintain control. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well_said Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 25 minutes ago, Mortonhallwell said: We supporters get incredibly frustrated with useless officials but it must be worse when your job may well suffer due to incompetent refs. Kettlewell and the players prepare meticulously for each game only to find the plan ruined because the ref makes crazy decisions. I can fully understand Kettlewells annoyance as it must be so difficult to stand on the touchline and say nothing while the ref makes himself the centre of attention in every game. I just wish Collum would remind his refs that the best ones are those who go about their business quietly but efficiently and don't need to flash cards in order to maintain control. Unfortunately collum was the type of ref that had to be the centre of attention every game , so he probably couldn't teach any of them how to be the type of ref who goes about his business unnoticed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennyc Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 1 hour ago, well_said said: The standard of the referees in this country is at an all time low and there are no signs of any improvement. I can see why he gets so animated because he sees the same as we do and we don't exactly sit and keep quiet when these ridiculous decisions are happening. The ref we had yesterday is supposedly one of the better ones but he has referred like a novice twice in the last four weeks at fir park. It's no wonder he loses the plot. Remember also that a Manager's job is on the line and a run of wrong decisions by officials could have far more consequences than costing us points or upsetting fans. No wonder Managers lose their cool regularly. Some, like McInnes, get away with it. Others do not. I was encouraged when Collum appeared keen to improve standards and be more open to addressing issues. That optimism has now gone. First half on Sunday Walsh was clearly out to make his point and Kettlewell was a cert for a card. Collum seems to think that apology after apology is sufficient. And nothing is going to change. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 Let's cut back on the back and forth niggling, please. Want to discuss and be critical of the manager? Fine. But this stupid tit-for-tat isn't happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinjy Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 How many of those belittling Kettlewell were pushing for Valakari a few years ago. A bullet well and truly dodged. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllyMax Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 21 minutes ago, sinjy said: How many of those belittling Kettlewell were pushing for Valakari a few years ago. A bullet well and truly dodged. And some were advocating Levien as well during last seasons bad run, and Duncan Ferguson (with the usual pish like 'he won't stand for any nonsense') and that irish bloke that used to be at St Johnstone. Be careful what you wish for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 29 minutes ago, sinjy said: How many of those belittling Kettlewell were pushing for Valakari a few years ago. A bullet well and truly dodged. The context is that Valakari has had zero transfer windows at St Johnstone and Kettlewell has had three at Motherwell, so I’m not sure how you can compare them in this league at this stage and say that the former is a bullet dodged. Some research would show you that Valakari has a managerial career stat of 1.76 points per match, whereas Kettlewell has 1.39. Yes, Valakari may be doing crap in his first few months in this league, but it’s not a fair comparison to be made. 5 minutes ago, AllyMax said: And some were advocating Levien as well during last seasons bad run, and Duncan Ferguson (with the usual pish like 'he won't stand for any nonsense') and that irish bloke that used to be at St Johnstone. Be careful what you wish for. Whataboutery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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