Society Consultation

[joewarkfanclub]

3 hours ago, Busta Nut said:

Aye folk greetin about paying £300 12 years ago. pffffft.

Sounds like suhin a Tory would whine about.

Certainly not a Tory! 

Its just simple fairness.

Not that hard to understand.

[wellgirl]

3 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said:

Certainly not a Tory! 

Its just simple fairness.

Not that hard to understand.

Surely there has to be something that aligns people who paid 300 quid for life membership to the people who pay every month. 

[joewarkfanclub]

For the avoidance of any doubt.

I am a legacy member.

But I also still pay a direct debit, so Im not arguing from a selfish perspective.

Just trying to see it from both sides and find a middle ground.

[joewarkfanclub]

3 minutes ago, wellgirl said:

Surely there has to be something that aligns people who paid 300 quid for life membership to the people who pay every month. 

My original point outlines that......

[wellgirl]

On 6/27/2025 at 11:03 PM, joewarkfanclub said:

My original point outlines that......

I'll delete my post. I wasn't trying to criticise you. Was just an observation. Nothing more than that. 

 

From my perspective I gave five pounds a month to the well society when I had nothing and I upped it as soon as I had money. I don't care about what other people paid back in the day but some people might. 

Up to them though. Night 

[joewarkfanclub]

11 hours ago, wellgirl said:

I'll delete my post. I wasn't trying to criticise you. Was just an observation. Nothing more than that. 

Didnt take it as a criticism. Just couldnt be arsed typing it all out again! 😊

[joewarkfanclub]

On 6/25/2025 at 9:25 AM, joewarkfanclub said:

The above has been a really useful debate.

I hadnt fully considered the implications of stopping my direct debit as I was one of the original legacy members, so I would continue to have voting rights.

I think a balance has to be struck somewhere between fairness to members who have contributed significantly and protecting the Society from any skullduggery.

How about, all new members who contribute monthly will attain lifetime membership and voting rights once they reach the £300 legacy membership fee?

That way, we move forward but are seen to do so in a fair and equitable manner.......

 

This was my original post on page 2 for anyone interested......

[wellgirl]

On 6/28/2025 at 11:07 AM, joewarkfanclub said:

This was my original post on page 2 for anyone interested......

I missed that - I think that seems fair enough if it were ever to be implemented. 

 

 

I'm digressing but I'm sure I saw something that there was going to be a well society meet the players event this summer - and is there any news on the course that was going to be delivered - the fan ownership one 

 

All 8 proposals have been approved. Just got the email 

[wellfan]

All eight proposals have been approved by members.

A total of 410 votes were cast from a potential pool of 2,820 adult members – a turnout of 14.5%.

It’s a disappointing response rate and raises valid questions about how many of those 2,820 are actively contributing via a monthly direct debit. The lack of engagement suggests that not all of them are.

[Kmcalpin]

21 minutes ago, wellfan said:

All eight proposals have been approved by members.

A total of 410 votes were cast from a potential pool of 2,820 adult members – a turnout of 14.5%.

It’s a disappointing response rate and raises valid questions about how many of those 2,820 are actively contributing via a monthly direct debit. The lack of engagement suggests that not all of them are.

Yes, it was a very clear vindication of the board's proposals, insofar as it went. They don't come much clearer than 95% ish support. 

The response rate was indeed very poor and worrying. The Society has a job on its hands to get many members to vote on any issue. That said, it was quite a complicated, difficult, and lengthy consultation, and for many, perhaps a bit academic. You make a good point about those not contributing monthly and that needs to be investigated. It would be interesting to see an analysis of the % contributing /not contributing againstthe respsonses to individual questions. Maybe the Society has become a bit divorced from many members, who just want it to support putting a competitive team on the park? If so, its not an easy situation to rectify. Time to get back to basics?  

[wellfan]

2 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said:

That said, it was quite a complicated, difficult, and lengthy consultation, and for many, perhaps a bit academic.

 Definitely this. While all the necessary information was included in the voting package, it wasn’t particularly easy to digest or navigate. Perhaps something for the Well Society to reflect on.

3 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said:

Time to get back to basics?

Yes. Otherwise there’s a very real risk of consultation fatigue setting in, especially when combined with the constant stream of weekly updates. There’s a balance to be struck in engaging members. 

[joewarkfanclub]

Agree turnout is very disappointing.

Reasons need investigated so we can at least try to drive up engagemement.

Unfortunately rules and regulations are not very "sexy" to your average punter, but I would have hoped for higher numbers than that.

[Busta Nut]

Loads of people are happy to chuck a fiver/tenner at them a month and not give a fuck about the minor operations they know nothing about.
The 85% who didn't vote are the folk who will complain at the first opportunity. 

Motherwell fans aren’t exactly the easiest crowd to get on board with stuff. There are a select few who are seen every where, a few locals and that's about it. 
It now seems a hassle for some to read and click a few buttons.

[Kmcalpin]

29 minutes ago, Busta Nut said:

Loads of people are happy to chuck a fiver/tenner at them a month and not give a fuck about the minor operations they know nothing about.......

Motherwell fans aren’t exactly the easiest crowd to get on board with stuff. There are a select few who are seen every where, a few locals and that's about it. 
It now seems a hassle for some to read and click a few buttons.

I agree 100% with your first statement. Thats just the way it is in many organisations and the Society is no different. In town planning consultations for example response rates of 1-2% are commonplace, maybe even the norm until the shit hits the fan and bulldozers threaten to appear next door.

Some truth in your second statement. Undoubtedly online information overload is a factor. The Society Board though  cannot and will not accept your line of thought. It won't get anywhere by blaming the fans. 

[joewarkfanclub]

Ive never bought into the feeling that Motherwell fans are any more indifferent or indeed harder to please than any other fans.

We just notice it more because we are them and they are us.

Most supports with a broad demographic will produce similar percentages when asked to make decisions on various subjects.

Its like politics. Nobody really gives a f#ck about local elections cause its roads, bins etc. When it comes to the big decisions more people tend to sit up and take notice.

Still a piss poor return though.......

[weeyin]

I imagine most financial contributors to the Society only want to support the club and have no interest in the day-to-day running.

I don't have a problem with that.

[Villageman]

It was also said at the meeting that advisory groups consider a 30% response to any voting opportunity good.               Maybe it's the old argumentative codger in me that believes a vote should always be used.                                                 Some of the MPs and MSPs ruining (not a mistype) are elected with 30% or less.