wellgirl Posted July 1 Report Share Posted July 1 Just now, mio said: Was he no 30? Apparently it was Forrest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennyc Posted July 1 Report Share Posted July 1 I think the main thing we learned from tonight was the style our new Manager wants to play. The heat probably made that a hard ask. Hopefully he learned what we all already knew. This set of players do not have the ability to play out from the back and pace is an issue, both defensively and offensively. It was interesting watching Ward being asked to play outside his penalty area though. That did not work either and he looked a bag of nerves to me. Although that may have been down to the quality of back passes he got, mainly from Gordon. Is that really the guy that led St J to two trophies? For me the only positive was the performance of the youngsters. But let's not ask too much of them too soon. Early days but uninspiring. Possibly unfair but I did expect better. Hopefully by the time we finish the League Cup group games we have a lot more to get excited about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllyMax Posted July 1 Report Share Posted July 1 No sure about this tactic of playing the keeper as a sweeper on the edge of the centre circle. Maybe wants to play a back 5 but only use up 4 players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stv Posted July 1 Report Share Posted July 1 Looks like we kept Ox on the bench last season when Balcombe was playing shite cause he was not recovering fully from his injury , to get him fit for this season . Unfortunately that injury seems to have reoccurred again in pre season . I guess it's a bit of a long process to proper full fitness for him. If true we need a proper replacement in asap . Ward won't do as a first team keeper come start of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mio Posted July 1 Report Share Posted July 1 1 hour ago, Mad Dog said: He was released last season though. Yeah my mistake, I saw no 30 and thought that was ferrie? Seemingly it was Forrest, thought he looked ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted July 1 Report Share Posted July 1 10 minutes ago, stv said: Looks like we kept Ox on the bench last season when Balcombe was playing shite cause he was not recovering fully from his injury , to get him fit for this season .apparently thUnfortunately that injury seems to have reoccurred again in pre season . I guess it's a bit of a long process to proper full fitness for him. If true we need a proper replacement in asap . Ward won't do as a first team keeper come start of the season. Apparently there was a clause in Balcomes contract that he had to play a certain number of games. No one knows what the injury to Ox is this time. It was a broken thumb last time. There's been nothing yet to indicate it was the same injury re occurring Ox also played again at the end of last season so it looks like he recovered from that thumb injury Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted July 1 Report Share Posted July 1 Some of the negativity is unbelievable bit shouldn't be surprised. It's their first game of season in sweltering heat against a well established side. Only shock is folk aren't calling for JB to leave......yet Keep the faith folks 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted July 1 Report Share Posted July 1 Was out tonight so haven't seen any of the game, but comments on here about individual players and deficiencies in the squad were ones we were making several weeks ago eg lack of firepower up front, need to bolster central defence, soft midfield and lack of decent full/wing backs. Still JBA has now seen them for himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stv Posted July 1 Report Share Posted July 1 19 minutes ago, wellgirl said: Apparently there was a clause in Balcomes contract that he had to play a certain number of games. No one knows what the injury to Ox is this time. It was a broken thumb last time. There's been nothing yet to indicate it was the same injury re occurring Ox also played again at the end of last season so it looks like he recovered from that thumb injury Apparently sometimes managers talk shite. This from a guy that left us a week later. Thought it was a stupid excuse why we kept playing him at the time. I can't beloved we signed a contract with loanee Balcome to gaurentee him games. Over our own better keeper once he was fit and Balcome was obviously playing rubbish. Don't think Ox was ever really fully fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted July 1 Report Share Posted July 1 15 minutes ago, grizzlyg said: Some of the negativity is unbelievable bit shouldn't be surprised. It's their first game of season in sweltering heat against a well established side. Only shock is folk aren't calling for JB to leave......yet Keep the faith folks That’s a bit unfair to those of us who try to offer constructive comments, acknowledging it’s just the first pre-season game but still flagging recurring issues. Without that, what’s the point of this forum? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted July 1 Report Share Posted July 1 5 minutes ago, wellfan said: That’s a bit unfair to those of us who try to offer constructive comments, acknowledging it’s just the first pre-season game but still flagging recurring issues. Without that, what’s the point of this forum? Constructive criticism is absolutely fine and it's always healthy debate. I just find it frustrating that after one game there are all these concerns. JB needs time to assess all the squad then work out what is needed and who isn't up to standard required COYW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted July 1 Report Share Posted July 1 8 minutes ago, wellfan said: That’s a bit unfair to those of us who try to offer constructive comments, acknowledging it’s just the first pre-season game but still flagging recurring issues. Without that, what’s the point of this forum? Also wasn't aimed at you, your points were constructive and valid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennyc Posted July 1 Report Share Posted July 1 23 minutes ago, grizzlyg said: Some of the negativity is unbelievable bit shouldn't be surprised. It's their first game of season in sweltering heat against a well established side. Only shock is folk aren't calling for JB to leave......yet Keep the faith folks You did say you had not seen any of the game. Given the playing out from the back pantomime I think the comments were pretty mooted and I wonder what you would have thought watching it. . And most folk did qualify it being first game etc etc. I guess folk just expected a bit more encouragement having been starved of proper football for a wee while.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted July 1 Report Share Posted July 1 39 minutes ago, mio said: Yeah my mistake, I saw no 30 and thought that was ferrie? Seemingly it was Forrest, thought he looked ok. Yeah, Forrest looked lively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted July 1 Report Share Posted July 1 7 minutes ago, dennyc said: You did say you had not seen any of the game. Given the playing out from the back pantomime I think the comments were pretty mooted and I wonder what you would have thought watching it. . And most folk did qualify it being first game etc etc. I guess folk just expected a bit more encouragement having been starved of proper football for a wee while.. Wasn't home from work in time, would have been frustrated and again the constructive criticism is totally OK, it's just the doom and gloom comments that really frustrate me. 4 4 2 is encouraging but obviously we don't know if that will be the standard set up.... COYW 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wellgirl Posted July 1 Report Share Posted July 1 13 minutes ago, grizzlyg said: Constructive criticism is absolutely fine and it's always healthy debate. I just find it frustrating that after one game there are all these concerns. JB needs time to assess all the squad then work out what is needed and who isn't up to standard required COYW I agree 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stv Posted July 1 Report Share Posted July 1 1 minute ago, grizzlyg said: Wasn't home from work in time, would have been frustrated and again the constructive criticism is totally OK, it's just the doom and gloom comments that really frustrate me. 4 4 2 is encouraging but obviously we don't know if that will be the standard set up.... COYW Why did you not throw a sickie , to watch the first game of the season free on you tube. Then we could have taken your comments seriously. There's no time for partime supporters on here don't you know. Will be expecting you to phone in with a bout of pneumonia for the next friendly. Then do a full in depth match report. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted July 1 Report Share Posted July 1 Twente are a decent team and so I wouldn't read much into the result. It was a chance to build up gametime end of. We are short of bodies, maybe the right bodies, in critical areas and that will be rectified as JBA settles in. My main concern just now is that we're woefully short up front with the first League Cup game looming. OK the group stage will involve lower league opposition but we can't afford slip ups. Its a good chance to fill our coffers by progressing in the tournament and its one of only two realistic chances for us to win a trophy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted July 1 Report Share Posted July 1 7 minutes ago, stv said: Why did you not throw a sickie , to watch the first game of the season free on you tube. Then we could have taken your comments seriously. There's no time for partime supporters on here don't you know. Will be expecting you to phone in with a bout of pneumonia for the next friendly. Then do a full in depth match report. LOL 😆 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewelllfan Posted July 1 Report Share Posted July 1 That game should highlight to the new manager what he needs to add to his squad. We need to add more pace in the wide areas as well as a ST before the cup games but sure this is probably something the new gaffer is already looking at. Though Watt in the middle looked decent handled the ball well and Miller absolutley strolled it. Was 1-0 when majority of the senior players were on against a decent side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numpty Posted July 1 Report Share Posted July 1 50 minutes ago, SteelmaninOZ said: The gaffer said Nice to hear that instead of Wimmer's "shoots" we now have Askou's "ball wins". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted July 1 Report Share Posted July 1 2 hours ago, Orinoco said: To early to tell with Ward & Elliot. Maswanhise has pace, but his final ball can let him down. Still time for him to develop. Stama chasing shadows again today. He needs someone up beside him, and or wingers who can cross a ball. Passing from the back or hoof ball to nobody upfront. Interesting choice!? Best formation questionable. Really?? after our first pre season game with a new manager finding out about his players!! Its all well that we know our squad weaknesses, but weve watched them enough over time. The manager is still learning on who can do what. Patience. Pre season is all about fitness and trying things. Indeed. Both played one game so let's not write them off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinjy Posted July 1 Report Share Posted July 1 The tactic of a defender taking a by kick and passing it to the goalie boils my piss. By definition the goalie is the worst outfield player in the team and if we continue with that tactic we will lose crazy goals. Also having the goalie standing 40 yard off his line will lead to someone scoring from their own half. Twente tried a long range shot in the second half but it was a poor effort. I think the manager is in for a rude awakening when the real stuff starts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted July 1 Report Share Posted July 1 2 hours ago, MJC said: I didn’t really know what to expect. Obviously it’s difficult to read too much into pre-season games like these but defensively we looked awful and that is a cause for concern. What happens over the next month in regards to who we can bring in and how the League Cup Group Stages go is going to be much more important and indicative as to how the season is going to go but there are worrying signs even at this very, very early stage in my opinion. Understand - but it's the same every season and we always get there in the end Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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