Motherwell v Celtic 13/05/2026

[weeyin]

4 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said:

Maybe not.

But in the interests of transparency we should still hear it.

Even if all it does is annoy us all summer.

Keeps the boiler stoked for next season and the first shitty decision that comes our way.

Handpicking what they want to share is not transparency though.

[joewarkfanclub]

3 hours ago, weeyin said:

Handpicking what they want to share is not transparency though.

Precisely my point.

If its not made available, we should be asking why not.

I dont really want to dwell on this but you can still demand transparency without the expectation of it, and highlight the lack of it when it occurs.

Might end up with a sign on our backs again right enough.....

[weeyin]

1 minute ago, joewarkfanclub said:

Precisely my point.

If its not made available, we should be asking why not.

By handpicking, I didn't mean not making it available. I meant they can choose to make part of it available - the part that does them less or no damage - and we wouldn't know if anything was missing.

[joewarkfanclub]

1 hour ago, weeyin said:

By handpicking, I didn't mean not making it available. I meant they can choose to make part of it available - the part that does them less or no damage - and we wouldn't know if anything was missing.

True.

But I would have thought a heavily edited audio would be apparent given the circumstances.

Regardless. Lets hear it and we can decide for ourselves......

[steelman1991]

They were quick enough to release the  audio from Celtic/Hearts. Me “paranoid” ……… of course not 🤪.

[stv]

It's  Hearts that should be pushing for this to be released and scrutinised.  It cost them the title and millions in revenue.

[MJC]

I don’t think hearing the audio from that night will tell us much that isn’t already pretty obvious to be honest.

VAR saw a ‘potential’ handball which obviously wasn’t but Andrew Dallas or whoever it was likely knew that John Beaton is too scared to give any big call against Celtic and would take the ‘safer’ option by giving them a penalty. And it took Beaton literally seconds to watch that and give it when it would have been impossible to be able to determine that in that time.

Celtic run the show and the whole thing stinks. I’m not talking about daft conspiracy theories like lodges, dodgy handshakes and knowing nods, I’m talking about that club having such a hold on football, media and society that they are running it through fear and intimidation. Celtic caused a refereeing strike in 2010 for far less than what happened at Fir Park earlier this month and since then they’ve had almost everything their own way. And on the odd occasion that they haven’t the officials in question have been absolutely hounded by them, their fans, the managers and their media stooges. John Beaton being the most obvious but there have been others.

The reality is that Celtic Football Club are an absolute cancer on Scottish Football.

[dennyc]

1 hour ago, MJC said:

I don’t think hearing the audio from that night will tell us much that isn’t already pretty obvious to be honest.

VAR saw a ‘potential’ handball which obviously wasn’t but Andrew Dallas or whoever it was likely knew that John Beaton is too scared to give any big call against Celtic and would take the ‘safer’ option by giving them a penalty. And it took Beaton literally seconds to watch that and give it when it would have been impossible to be able to determine that in that time.

Celtic run the show and the whole thing stinks. I’m not talking about daft conspiracy theories like lodges, dodgy handshakes and knowing nods, I’m talking about that club having such a hold on football, media and society that they are running it through fear and intimidation. Celtic caused a refereeing strike in 2010 for far less than what happened at Fir Park earlier this month and since then they’ve had almost everything their own way. And on the odd occasion that they haven’t the officials in question have been absolutely hounded by them, their fans, the managers and their media stooges. John Beaton being the most obvious but there have been others.

The reality is that Celtic Football Club are an absolute cancer on Scottish Football.

What I find surprising is that Beaton is getting all or at least most of the flak. Not excusing Beaton but Andrew Dallas is the one that created the whole injustice. Even though the supposed error was not Clear and Obvious. More like Fabricated.  Beaton could have stuck by his original decision of course but he was put in such a position that I don't think any referee would have overridden Dallas. Add Beaton's previous history with Celtic and the outcome was assured. Dallas must have known that.  If I was Beaton...and thank God I'm not.......I would be raging at Dallas for putting me in such a situation. For his part (and more so because of the part Dallas played) Collum will refuse to acknowledge any error. 

Fortunately for us, other than a point lost, the penalty did not change our situation. Draw or lose we still had to win at Easter Road. Hearts were the team most hard done to,  especially as they had a much more valid penalty claim denied a few days earlier. Despite all that crap about errors balancing themselves out over a season, those two decisions decided the outcome of the League. Our Officials and our Association should be ashamed not only about the way things played out at Fir Park but their rewriting of history regards the disgraceful ending at Celtic Park a few days later. 

Given the recent actions of many Celtic fans at Ibrox, Fir Park and Celtic Park I wonder what sanctions will be handed out? Not holding my breath though as I suspect all the ever increasing noise coming from the SFA about pitch invasions not being unlawful in Scotland is a prelude to taking no action whatsoever. If anything, Rangers and Motherwell will be warned about not taking ample precautions, we will be fined for the pyros, and the Celtic Park invasion will be viewed simply as understandable exuberance with Hearts fined for leaving early and not completing Media duties. As MJC says, that is the extent to which Celtic control things in Scotland. Media included.

 

[rinkydink]

The question needs to be asked as to whether wee Willie was also in the VAR room at the time (as he was for the Aberdeen cup game).

[star sail]

2 hours ago, MJC said:

I don’t think hearing the audio from that night will tell us much that isn’t already pretty obvious to be honest.

VAR saw a ‘potential’ handball which obviously wasn’t but Andrew Dallas or whoever it was likely knew that John Beaton is too scared to give any big call against Celtic and would take the ‘safer’ option by giving them a penalty. And it took Beaton literally seconds to watch that and give it when it would have been impossible to be able to determine that in that time.

Celtic run the show and the whole thing stinks. I’m not talking about daft conspiracy theories like lodges, dodgy handshakes and knowing nods, I’m talking about that club having such a hold on football, media and society that they are running it through fear and intimidation. Celtic caused a refereeing strike in 2010 for far less than what happened at Fir Park earlier this month and since then they’ve had almost everything their own way. And on the odd occasion that they haven’t the officials in question have been absolutely hounded by them, their fans, the managers and their media stooges. John Beaton being the most obvious but there have been others.

The reality is that Celtic Football Club are an absolute cancer on Scottish Football.

I share your frustration with this incident and it does highlight a wider problem in Scottish Football but you can't objectively frame this as a Celtic only problem. It is an OF problem and has been for decades. 

I agree that John Beaton was put in an impossible situation. I thought he refereed the game really well and was literally a couple of seconds away from being able to say job done. I thought the Maeda penalty call, he got right, the Slattery penalty call was also right. His onfield decision at the end was also spot on.

I have no doubts that as he was walking to the monitor he would have either consciously or subconsciously been thinking about the personal implications for him and his family of overturning the decision. Unfortunately for him in this particular instance, he was stuck between a rock and a hard place. 

Had it been Rangers we were playing and Rangers were going for the title the outcome would have been EXACTLY the same.

Both OF's clubs have used intimidation and the weight of numbers to get what they want for as long as I have been watching football. To frame it as a Celtic only problem (or a Rangers only problem) dilutes the argument. It is based on a predudice that favours one club or the other. They both use power and influence to get what they want and have both been very successful at getting what they want. It is why they keep doing it. Jim Traynor was hired as the Rangers communications man to use his knowledge of the press in Scotland to do exactly this, spin the narrative, put pressure on the authorities in Rangers favour. 

Rangers and Celtic are a collective. They are both a cancer on Scottish Football.