Motherwell v Celtic 11/10/2026

[joewarkfanclub]

2 hours ago, star sail said:

Interesting to read the comments by AJ about Vogt regarding training. Also it would appear that Maswanhise has not been behaving himself in his social life going by some recent social media posts. 

What we see is a 90 mins snapshot of 3 weeks of training, players living their lives for good or bad, personal/professional issues for individual players, fitness, injury etc, etc. 

Judging the decisions of the manager on the 90 mins snapshot only is like heading straight into the tip of the iceberg with abandon because you can't see what lies beneath. 

 

Thats absolutely fine.

And if Willy hadnt been hopelessly out of his depth and harming the team, then no one would argue.

But his first half was so bad that it was very clear that it wasnt going to end well.

By not substituting him he merely prolonged the agony and risked damaging the player further due to the reaction from some if the less patient members in our support.

FWIW, I wouldnt be championing Maswanhise right now given the form he has been in regardless of any rumours.

Said on the other hand brings something to the table most weeks. Despite the chaotic nature of his play on the ball, he is quite disciplined tactically and always works hard for the team.

[star sail]

4 hours ago, joewarkfanclub said:

 

By not substituting him he merely prolonged the agony and risked damaging the player further due to the reaction from some if the less patient members in our support.

 

 

Think of the levels of self sabotage by the Motherwell support in that reaction. You don't need opposition fans if you are going to heap unnecessarily amounts of pressure on your own struggling player.

We don't know the full reason for picking Vogt over other players but if confidence was an issue for the player before it certainly is now.

I know the response to that is that AJ should never have played him in the first place but going by that logic he would never get an opportunity and a potential talent goes to waste.. Hooking him at half time would have done nothing for his confidence. The manager has to stick or twist. 

By gambling it allows the fans to stick the boot in. A crazy scenario when you think that the interests of everyone should be aligned. 

'We like to see the development of young talent (but only when they come out the box as the finished article)'

It's one of the reasons I think the word supporter should always be treated with significant poetic license. It is so easy to clap our hands and cheer when all is Rosey in the garden. To boo and ridicule one of your own players lacking in confidence isn't support. As a matter of fact it is the very opposite. 

Of course football fans are a sensitive bunch and do not like being criticised so we blame the player and we blame the manager and walk of into the sunset singing with a sense of smug satisfaction that we have paid our entrance fee and can do as we please with little care for the reputations we destroy.

Stand up and sing, stand up and sing.........!!!