Motherwell v Celtic 11/10/2026

[wellfan]

5 minutes ago, Ya Bezzer! said:

That said I think our support could do more to help the team through a transitional period.  Apparently it only took four games for the toxic element in our support to stick their heads up again.

People are entitled to piss and moan when they’re being served up utter shite. Nobody expects another Jens season, but the absolute minimum is some semblance of a decent performance and a clear identity. Losing is frustrating enough, but continually losing without putting in any sort of performance is unacceptable. We’re in a death spiral, and that’s not the fans’ fault.

 

[Ya Bezzer!]

2 minutes ago, ppower said:

You try and justify that pish and criticize the support.  What's more worrying is that someone agreed with you. Yeah its the fans fault for not getting behind the team.  It's not a transitional period. We are in free fall without a parachute.

Well that's exactly what I'd expect from you.

It's not a transitional period?  We've lost a manager, more or less a whole team and we've just come through a 4 game cycle again three city clubs, two of whom have 15 times our budget and historically we usually lose against.

 

[Benson]

18 minutes ago, ppower said:

Fuck me. Just saw our managers interview. It was a bomb scare. Talked and said nothing. What game was he watching.

This guy is a fud.

Was about to post regarding that just waffled nonsense,chances,what chances?we were completely dominated all over the park and swatted aside on our own patch,any other team in this league would have given celtic a better challenge,very concerning.

[Ya Bezzer!]

13 minutes ago, wellfan said:

People are entitled to piss and moan when they’re being served up utter shite. Nobody expects another Jens season, but the absolute minimum is some semblance of a decent performance and a clear identity. Losing is frustrating enough, but continually losing without putting in any sort of performance is unacceptable. We’re in a death spiral, and that’s not the fans’ fault.

 

After the Dundee Utd match, which we won comfortable, all I heard on the way out of the stadium was fans moaning about certain individual players.

After the Aberdeen match there was a ridiculous amount booing like we were in relegation battle.

The negativity from a certain element of our support seems like it's the reason they go to the games.

We are in a 4 game run with two matches against the Old Firm.

People need to get some perspective. 

There's far too many people in the support that are more interested in heaping pressure on players and managers so that they feeling like they are affecting decisions at the club, rather than actually supporting the team.   

[SteelmaninOZ]

The gaffer said 

 

[wunderwell]

12 minutes ago, Ya Bezzer! said:

Well that's exactly what I'd expect from you.

It's not a transitional period?  We've lost a manager, more or less a whole team and we've just come through a 4 game cycle again three city clubs, two of whom have 15 times our budget and historically we usually lose against.

 

You are not wrong in anything you've said but it still doesn't mean the manager isn't a dud. 
A transitional period doesn't always end happily

[mfc]

12 minutes ago, Ya Bezzer! said:

After the Dundee Utd match, which we won comfortable, all I heard on the way out of the stadium was fans moaning about certain individual players.

After the Aberdeen match there was a ridiculous amount booing like we were in relegation battle.

The negativity from a certain element of our support seems like it's the reason they go to the games.

We are in a 4 game run with two matches against the Old Firm.

People need to get some perspective. 

There's far too many people in the support that are more interested in heaping pressure on players and managers so that they feeling like they are affecting decisions at the club, rather than actually supporting the team.   

Your last paragraph is just a blatant lie. 

[wellsince75]

It’s a transitional period which we’d expect signs progress and patches of inconsistency - not linear improvement but nor should it be a consistent decline .

 

we’re getting worse as each week passes . 
 

we started well in Europe , played well against Hibs but in my mind it’s not just 4 defeats - since the Dundee Utd game we’ve not played well and continue to regress. 

most of us expected to see an improvement today - signs of something better - that didn’t happen . 
 

[Big Stall]

That was possibly the worst performance we have turned out since Kettlewell. What is baffling is that we have the same coaching staff as last year but we are churning out abject shite. This wasnt a hard luck story today, we were pounded & a 2-0 defeat flattered us.

Tried to play our game at the back but then long ball after long ball in their half. Completly forgetting we have the tools to cut them open.

Not using longello more - mental

Starting vogt when youv got Said, Tawanda & kanga on the bench

Midfield totally bypassed today. Never really noticed much from levit. Really need priestman back. Always busy & can break the play up & provide a solid base

Very few runs to the byline & crossing back to the big striker

Pretty much everyone scared to take a shot on

Starting the second half with the same 11

Despite getting horsed, not changing the shape and personel until we were 2 down through an hour

Both the goals were mistakes we made, but celtic should have been out of sight.

😢

 

[MJC]

On 1/19/2019 at 5:32 PM, Ya Bezzer! said:

We've been horrendous since November bar a flukey Scottish Cup run.

That’s what you said about the last time we managed to reach the Scottish Cup Final under Robinson, who you were very vocal in being negative about and heaping pressure on as I remember.

 

31 minutes ago, Ya Bezzer! said:

The negativity from a certain element of our support seems like it's the reason they go to the games.

People need to get some perspective. 

There's far too many people in the support that are more interested in heaping pressure on players and managers so that they feeling like they are affecting decisions at the club, rather than actually supporting the team.   

But now you’re getting up on your high horse again about supporters voicing legitimate concerns about the current team, manager and the performances which have brought about four losses in a row with very little to be positive about??

Just like your passionate defence of Graham Alexander and the shite he was serving up and your jumping on Stuart Kettlewell’s bandwagon after he opened his arse and spewed nonsense about the support?

Contrary much?

 

[Ya Bezzer!]

6 minutes ago, wunderwell said:

You are not wrong in anything you've said but it still doesn't mean the manager isn't a dud. 
A transitional period doesn't always end happily

He might be a dud.

But we are 8 games into a league season.

Our average points total this decade after 8 matches is 10 points.  We are 2 points behind that having played both Rangers and Celtic.

BTW our best start under any manager this decade was under Stuart Kettlewell and our worst start was under Askou.

So just ponder on that for a bit.

[wellsince75]

53 minutes ago, Ya Bezzer! said:

Celtic dominated and deserved the win but for all their possession they didn't exactly tear us apart.

We all see the game differently. 

For me Celtic had 25 shots, 15 on target v's our 2 shots.  If they won 4-0 today I'd have had no grumbles. 

[Ya Bezzer!]

3 minutes ago, MJC said:

That’s what you said about the last time we managed to reach the Scottish Cup Final under Robinson, who you were very vocal in being negative and heaping pressure on as I remember.

 

But now your getting up on your high horse again about supporters voicing legitimate concerns about the current team, manager and the performances which have brought about four losses in a row with very little to be positive about??

Just like your passionate defence of Graham Alexander and the shite he was serving up and your jumping on Stuart Kettlewell’s bandwagon after he opened his arse and spewed nonsense about the support?

Contrary much?

 

I was negative about Robinson for a period, mainly because he ignored excellent youth players and played hoofball.

But, no, you are right, I was way off to advocate bringing guys like Turnbull in and actually play some football.

[Prestwickwell]

2 minutes ago, Ya Bezzer! said:

I was negative about Robinson for a period, mainly because he ignored excellent youth players and played hoofball.

But, no, you are right, I was way off to advocate bringing guys like Turnbull in and actually play some football.

Don’t think this manager looks like he’s got the answers 

 

I’m open to hearing though what positives you’re currently seeing though 

 

wild to say we weren’t ripped apart by 1 of the worst Celtic teams in my life time all the same 😂

[Ya Bezzer!]

2 minutes ago, wellsince75 said:

We all see the game differently. 

For me Celtic had 25 shots, 15 on target v's our 2 shots.  If they won 4-0 today I'd have had no grumbles. 

Yeah but both their goals were gifted by us.

They hit the bar and I think it was Hassan should scored a tap in but other than that it was mostly routine stuff that was either speculative or that the goalkeeper would be expected to save.

I said Celtic dominated possession and deserved to win but they didn't tear us to shreds.  If it wasn't for O'Donnell's pass back it would have been 0-1 and who knows, we might even have got something out the game.

[Ya Bezzer!]

1 minute ago, Prestwickwell said:

Don’t think this manager looks like he’s got the answers 

 

I’m open to hearing though what positives you’re currently seeing though 

 

wild to say we weren’t ripped apart by 1 of the worst Celtic teams in my life time all the same 😂

OK, we'll start with the score and then you can add all the sitters on you think Celtic should have scored.

Go.

[Motherwell Daft]

I tend to disagree with a few posters, I thought we weren’t too bad today, there are areas though that scratched my head about, namely starting Vogts ahead of Said, and why SOD wasn’t at RB and Knight Lebel at CH with Moorman I never know, agree with posters Sparrow is never right back and got rightly roasted but Vogts is so far out his depth it’s how the fuck did we sign him?

Other posters have also nailed on the fact we seem to go to the right side with Vogts n Sparrow when the best crosser we have in Longo gets forgotten on the left…why????

When you see Longo looking to the sky n shaking his head as they go right again you wonder WTF are we doing The best and brightest attacking play came when Said came on, Vogts should have been hooked at 30minutes, I’d start with Said against Killie, stick SOD at RB, Sparrow to bench n start Knight Lebel at CH with Moorman, as for AJ I’m withering but he does need the benefit of a bit more time, we have played well against Hibs, United and in Europe the talent is there but please AJ drop Vogts as far away as possible!

Its a must win against Killie now and get some confidence back in the team.

[Prestwickwell]

Just now, Ya Bezzer! said:

OK, we'll start with the score and then you can add all the sitters on you think Celtic should have scored.

Go.

I mean in general not just today 

 

every time Celtic went down our right side they cut us open because Vogt had no interest in defending ( how often did we get cut open on our left? )

 

they hit the post, we cleared 1 off the line, their forward had numerous chances, keeper made numerous saves ( deflected 1 for example although not sure why he can’t hold onto shots with zero power ) 

 

could have comfortably scored somewhere between 5-8 on a different day

 

we’ve watched a different game 

[MJC]

14 minutes ago, Ya Bezzer! said:

I was negative about Robinson for a period, mainly because he ignored excellent youth players and played hoofball.

But, no, you are right, I was way off to advocate bringing guys like Turnbull in and actually play some football.

Which he did, he brought Turnbull and Scott into the team and arguably launched Turnbull’s career.

Remind me, who did Alexander bring through? Or at least who did he give a chance to given that he didn’t have the luxury of a Turnbull in the youth system. And what football did he try and play??

We’re getting sidetracked by this trip down memory lane and revisionism, however my core point is that this current team and manager look absolutely hopelessly out of their depth and as a result are attracting legitimate and deserved criticism from supporters. That is all fair enough and it is certainly not ‘toxic’ behaviour as your earlier post claimed.

[FirParkCornerExile]

1 hour ago, Ya Bezzer! said:

Celtic dominated and deserved the win but for all their possession they didn't exactly tear us apart.

Their goals came from poor basic defending and an individual error and it's this that's really holding us back this season.

The goalkeeper and back four just aren't on the same level as last seasons personnel.  O'Donnell had an Indian summer last season but he's done.  Paulsen isn't the keeper Ward was and his distribution is no where near as good.  Moormann and whoever he's playing along side aren't McGinn/Welsh level.

Goals change the whole dynamic of the match and we are losing too many opening goals and goals at crucial stages of the match.

There are also areas that, to be fair, haven't been addressed since the Kettlewell era, specifically right back and striker.

That said I think our support could do more to help the team through a transitional period.  Apparently it only took four games for the toxic element in our support to stick their heads up again.

 

You and I definitely watch different games. Celtic opened us up time and again 6 or 7 goals to Celtic would not have been an injustice.

[MJC]

If that £11M striker Høgh wasn't such a diddy with the first touch of an elephant we would have lost that by a much higher scoreline. They cut us open at will especially down the left and he got in numerous great positions only to completely mis control the ball.

[FirParkCornerExile]

25 minutes ago, wellsince75 said:

We all see the game differently. 

For me Celtic had 25 shots, 15 on target v's our 2 shots.  If they won 4-0 today I'd have had no grumbles. 

How anyone cant see that Celtic opened us up time and again I find truly astonishing. The keeper saved us from a hammering.

[MJC]

6 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said:

How anyone cant see that Celtic opened us up time and again I find truly astonishing. The keeper saved us from a hammering.

Anyone who claims that they ‘see’ it that way is either utterly clueless about football or else is using self assuring bravado to try and convince themselves that it wasn’t as bad as it was because we only lost by two goals when it should have been at least six.