Shaka Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 We havent been trying to play silky football in weeks and thats the problem! when we do we can cut apart anyone in the league,but just now all were content to do is lump long balls! wrong tactics,wrong players picked and zero back up as well just adds to the problems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEWELL Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 Now that i've calmed down from today's disgracefull showing i have to say there's been a lot of good posts on this thread. It's correct that we wont sack MM as it would cost too much money i cant believe either that he's became a crap manager but he really needs to start dropping players and kicking arses how McGarry Quinn and Reynolds get a game when they;re pants every week is beyond me and the 2 'signings' of O'Brien and the injured/midget/pish Krimpl prove to me that he has lost his way a wee bit. The jan transfer window is going to be crucial. I just want us to get back to playing football on the deck. Play players in their best positions and THINK about what he's doing. Our defence is pants and yet the worst of them Reynolds gets a game no matter how bad he is in defence and yet i KNOW he could do a job for is left midfield. Sutton has been pants for weeks now and yet he's also guaranteed a game McGarry and Quinn can leave in the window and free up some cash to get other people in. It's time to wheel and deal MM ARE YOU UP FOR THE CHALLENGE TO GET US IN THE RIGHT FIGHTING SPIRIT FOR THE RELEGATION BATTLE. IF NOT THEN WALK AWAY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 Its all very well to say that we should play silky soccer, andI'm desperate for that too, but the hard fact is that we don't have the all the players we require to do it. Up FRONT we could have Murphy, Porter and Clarkson and thats fine in theory. However how many times this term have we played Clarkson or Murphy as out and out strikers? They need service. With the exception of Stephen Hughes who has been poor for whatever reason this season we really have no-one in the engine room to provide width, pace or creativity - exactly the service our front guys need. When we try to play decent soccer on the deck our breaks out of defence are at snail's pace and totally ineffective against rows of organised defenders. In short our current options are very limited indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Grew Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 Andy PI think we need a change of style from McGhee on two fronts. Off the park we need an honest appraisal of where we sit now and what we are going to do to make steps to rectify the situation. I don't want to read things like we'll only play football the right way when when in the last year we've gone from some of the classiest football from a Motherwell team in a generation to a one dimensional long ball outfit. I want to read about positive moves you intend making with the resources you do have, not negativity about what you don't have and can't do. And I most certainly don't want to hear you talking about other teams and players like Aiden McGeady during the week when you have an important task at hand which should have your 100% focus. On the park its all so predictable just now. I want to see the end of this long ball nonsense which has got us nowhere for weeks. Not only is it ineffectual its absolute crap to watch. If it takes the likes of McHugh, Saunders and Murphy etc. to show a bit of determination, passion and hunger then so be it, its surely got to be worth a try now to try to kick-start things. I would normally be against throwing loads of laddies in but what do we have to lose? How many times have we seen McGarry appear purpled faced on the wrong win, checking back because he doesn't have the pace. How many crosses will Stevie Hammell crack off the defenders arse? How many defensive balls up will we give opposition teams goals from nothing? I'm not calling for your head. You've given me some fantastic times in your tenure but the apparent unwillingness to change things on the park and some soundbytes that would appear not to fully appreciate the seriousness of the situation. So Mark not a change of job for yet, but definitely time for a change of style. Excellent post mate! Hits most of the right spots re-our manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cossiemfc Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 I said it after the Killie game, the sooner he is away the better. He doesn't look intrested. He has been intrested in one thing himself. I've got a funny feeling he will stay though. If that is the case, get your finger out your arse mark. Keep your mouth shut, stop talking about how average players like hughes and reynolds can play in a higher league. Get them concentrated on playing for motherwell and get us ot of the mess we are in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaag Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 I know it was a rubbish result today alongside a string of rubbish results, but in my opinion it's far far too early to be talking about a change of management. All this talk of 1st division etc is utter nonsense.. we're not even bottom of the league and it's not even Christmas! Bar last season, 9 seasons out of 10 we always have a shit run of form then bounce back and sort ourselves out. Anyone who's been a well fan for any length of time would know that. The problem we have is that there's no strength in depth of our squad, that was blatantly obvious today. A couple of shrewd signings here and there could turn things right around. One things for sure, the thing we need to sort out first is the defence. We should look to this before even considering a management change. We really can be a fickle bunch sometimes. I'm not McGhee's biggest fan, purely because of the way he handles the media, but I've no doubt in my mind that we won't be in the relegation zone by the end of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cossiemfc Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 He should do the right thing and walk away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brazilian Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 The problem we have is that there's no strength in depth of our squad, that was blatantly obvious today. I agree with you Gaag and that we cant change the manager etc but why is it we have no strength in depth? they were his decisions to clear out and not replace I'm also quite angry at him again blaming a young boy for not doing the job he was told to do and then having a go at him as he is subbed because the crowd don't like it, does that mean all the more senior players were doing what he told them to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dannymfc7 Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 I think that Mark McGhee's time should be over and this is not just with regards to the Hamilton game but the last 5 or 6 games we have been awful. Only a few players have seemed as though they want to play for the club. Also when will McGhee learn that 2 big men DOESN'T work up front, better managers have tried and failed!Personally I believe McGhee should be gone before the Scottish Cup tie with Inverurie because at this rate with McGhee's tactics then thats going to be harder than it should be!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dosser1886 Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 Torture to watch again today, but I agree as painful at it is at the moment, it's a bit early to be going down the "sack the manager" route for one we just can't afford it financially - end of story!! I would like to see how McGee performs in the transfer market in January. I've thought, like quite a few others, that we must be able to compete and be more imaginative in where and how we look for talent, if other teams can do it then why can't we? we have in the past. I can't really fault the guys for effort, just no confidence to take anyone on at the moment, along with a serious lack of form from not just one or two of them, which we might be able to hadle, but from most of the team, hence the hopeless long ball. Hopefully some new faces, winning some points and confidence getting boosted as a result and we will be on our way again and playing good football - fingers crossed. It's just all so predictable we toil for the first 30 - 40mins attacking, have a few near things but never really look like scoring, the other team scores and we have no way back. We relied on getting one or two up last season and holding out to get the victories, but the goals just aren't coming. I'm also sick watching us getting physically bossed all over the park. As a previous poster has mentioned what is real coming back to bite us on the arse is that we didn't strengthen the squad before the start of the season whether it be down to McGee's head being elsewhere or his pish of "allegedly" only signing players better that what we have - aye right!! Keep the faith - the only way is up!! MTID Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robyn Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 D'you know what, the most frustrating thing for me? The fact we CAN play neat and silky football, stop it, just fucking stop it with the long ball pish! I aint wanting everything such as Cup finals, top 6 finishes, UEFA Cup etc, play the way we can and take it from there! Sod the excuses of were missing Roscoe and Paterson etc, we need to do the best with what we have, play the players in there CORRECT positions! We have an alright bunch of players who are footballers (exclude McGarry ) whom can play together as an attacking team. And believe it or not we ARE missing David Clarkson. His directness, pace, work-rate, ability to take a player on, passion and commitment for the cause. If you insist on playing Poter and Sutton together sit Clarky in the hole behind them and Clarky will soon show Porter and Sutton what the fuck they have to do, I dont care if you keel over at the FT whistle, its your job you have 6 days to recover. Clarkson makes defenders make mistakes, he chases relentlessly. He wins freekicks/penalties due to his directness (albeit going down easily sometimes). He may have his critics, and he may do a lot of things wrong and he may frustrate you but, he is a vital player to us and we are missing him, hugely! Clarky has only played, say, 1 of the last 7 games that we have failed to score -coicidence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmfc Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 I think we need a change of style from McGhee on two fronts. Off the park we need an honest appraisal of where we sit now and what we are going to do to make steps to rectify the situation. I don't want to read things like we'll only play football the right way when when in the last year we've gone from some of the classiest football from a Motherwell team in a generation to a one dimensional long ball outfit. I want to read about positive moves you intend making with the resources you do have, not negativity about what you don't have and can't do. And I most certainly don't want to hear you talking about other teams and players like Aiden McGeady during the week when you have an important task at hand which should have your 100% focus. On the park its all so predictable just now. I want to see the end of this long ball nonsense which has got us nowhere for weeks. Not only is it ineffectual its absolute crap to watch. If it takes the likes of McHugh, Saunders and Murphy etc. to show a bit of determination, passion and hunger then so be it, its surely got to be worth a try now to try to kick-start things. I would normally be against throwing loads of laddies in but what do we have to lose? How many times have we seen McGarry appear purpled faced on the wrong win, checking back because he doesn't have the pace. How many crosses will Stevie Hammell crack off the defenders arse? How many defensive balls up will we give opposition teams goals from nothing? I'm not calling for your head. You've given me some fantastic times in your tenure but the apparent unwillingness to change things on the park and some soundbytes that would appear not to fully appreciate the seriousness of the situation. So Mark not a change of job for yet, but definitely time for a change of style. 100% correct Andy. A drastic change in style is required. What really annoyed me about the match yesterday was the way McGhee sat on the bench looking completely uninterested and clueless. Very reminiscent of Malpas in charge. In addition, the substitution of Murphy was absolutely ridiculous...nearly as bad as his substitution of Lasley at Falkirk a few weeks ago. The quicker both the players and the management realise we are relegation candidates the better. Even speaking to a couple of mates that support Accies, they couldn't believe the difference in the team since we won against them a couple of months ago. In fact, they reckon we were the worst team they had seen playing against Accies this season! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoF Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 The quicker both the players and the management realise we are relegation candidates the better McGhee - “We are bottom of the league. We are the worst team and I am the worst manager,” I think he knows it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haggischomper Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 For all those that want McGhee sacked, i am sure you realise that his replacement would be Boyle's usual cheap option - Scott Leitch. That would be worse... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 I do agree with you Haggis as I think we all know it would be the cheap option. However as mentioned elsewhere I would be looking to someone like Bobby Williamson. He wouldn't play attractive football but he would pick up enough points to ensure SPL survival which should always be our main aim! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DelBoyd Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 Hmm, not a fan of Blobby Williamson, who is it that always says Luc Nijolt is only a phonecall away? I think they will stick with McGhee though, and i don't see him walking, i can't help but remember a fan coming on here pre season and warning us of this though..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fal_Dosser Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 D'you know what, the most frustrating thing for me? The fact we CAN play neat and silky football, stop it, just fucking stop it with the long ball pish! I aint wanting everything such as Cup finals, top 6 finishes, UEFA Cup etc, play the way we can and take it from there! Sod the excuses of were missing Roscoe and Paterson etc, we need to do the best with what we have, play the players in there CORRECT positions! We have an alright bunch of players who are footballers (exclude McGarry ) whom can play together as an attacking team. And believe it or not we ARE missing David Clarkson. His directness, pace, work-rate, ability to take a player on, passion and commitment for the cause. If you insist on playing Poter and Sutton together sit Clarky in the hole behind them and Clarky will soon show Porter and Sutton what the fuck they have to do, I dont care if you keel over at the FT whistle, its your job you have 6 days to recover. Clarkson makes defenders make mistakes, he chases relentlessly. He wins freekicks/penalties due to his directness (albeit going down easily sometimes). He may have his critics, and he may do a lot of things wrong and he may frustrate you but, he is a vital player to us and we are missing him, hugely! Clarky has only played, say, 1 of the last 7 games that we have failed to score -coicidence? I was right with you till I read that bit, although we'll agree to differ on McGarry Your point's right though - I asked the same question last night about Clarky, and while he isn't the greatest player ever, as you say, he makes a nuisance of himself and defenders don't get peace when he's playing. Someone else oposted similar, but once he's ready, I'd play a front 3 of Murphy - Sutton\Porter - Clarky Get back to what we were good at MON RA DOSSERS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEWELL Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 I agree it would be Scott Leitch god help us if that happens....the top 6 will be like the other side of the moon. I cant believe MM has suddenly became a bad manager but is at the moment not playing people in their correct positions and playing people who've been pants all season ie McGarry. Reynolds and Quinn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Grew Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 Emergency call to Gerbil Jaws? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 Unrest in the dressing room is also being mentioned. I reckon unless we get 3 points from either ICT or St Mirren then he will have to go. Been thinking about the replacement and I reckon if McGhee walked then Leitch would have to leave also as I am sure Boyle will know exactly how involved Leitch is with the side when it comes to training and he has to take his share of the blame. Who do we replace him with? We are not in the position to attract a high profile manager so who do we turn to? Bobby Williamson would come in and steady the ship. He would build a side that would want to fight for the cause. Would be very interesting who would want to take the position at Fir Park. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sdt Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 Gary McAllister is looking for a job... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well_nuts Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 Bobby Williamson is in a job at the moment so there is no way we can have him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 Bobby Williamson is in a job at the moment so there is no way we can have him. Yeah but I think the lure of coming back to Scotland from Africa would be too much for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well_nuts Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 Woud the club not have to pay some kinda fee to the FA if we offered him the job? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 They failed to qualify so dont think they would be very hard to deal with. Also if he quit then it would be a personal claim against Williamson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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