Steve Diggle Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 I got an email from Al today to expect papers in the post. I can't really think of any reason to continue subs or join the board at this point in time kmcalpin, although i get where you're coming from. I'll wait and see if Leeann's offer of some form of consultation forum comes to fruition. When you're taking money from people there are no excuses for no communication Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 Could someone from the Trust look into a letter being sent out to me? I paid the membership at least 6 months ago, online and through paypal so there should be a record of my email address on the system somewhere. I've had no communication from the Trust since I made the payment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Diggle Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 Unfortunately! I think it's game over for the trust. IMHO they are way way way beyond the point of no return. People who would at one time have got on board (i.e. me) won't touch the thing with a barge pole and quite rightly so. The arguments over their role, the make up of the board and the mysterious role of Mr Rose perhaps. The lack of communication over the past year has been inexcusable. If I personally was involved in something that collected subscriptions and failed to deliver even the basic information I'd be black affronted - in fact it just wouldn't happen - if you take folks hard earned you deliver the goods - bottom line. Basic common decency folks!! If Mr Rose and co. appear at the AGM with the intention of carrying on in their previous roles they should be shot wi' a baw o' their ain shite! The best thing I think would be to wind the thing up and look at alternatives. I know what you're saying wellgirl - however at the end of the day it's all irrelevent whether we get info or not. Like I say - the parrot is deceased! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzie Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 Why don't you go along to the AGM and put your point across? It's obvious that all other avenues of communication are all but closed, so surely if you ask whatever questions you may have to the faces of the people in question, that would get you the answers you're looking for? Not excusing the horrendous communication - don't get me wrong - but going along would maybe give you some closure on the issues that are bugging you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Diggle Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 Thing is Frazzle - We're not talking about the elusive directors of the royal bank of swahililand here - we're talking about people who are well aware of the points that have been made on this forum and elsewhere. I know I've had my say and I've probably been quite scathing. But at the heart of it I really don't give a fuck about the MST and won't be anywhere near them. I'm not hiding behind my computer I'd quite freely let them know everything I've said if I ever met them - I just don't have the drive to get myself down to Motherwell to say what I've already said here. Closure for me has been traumatic but thankfully it's now in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzie Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 Well stop going on about it then! Nah, in all seriousness, I'm absolutely gutted about how things have turned out with the Trust, and I wish I'd never got involved. I feel guilty by association in a way, but I do genuinely believe that the concept of a Supporters Trust is a good thing for a club like ours, and it's a shame that the club and fans don't get the benefit of it. It would be completely out of order if I, as a past board member, came on here and publicly slated folk who are still serving on the board, but it is pretty obvious that a change is needed but, to be blunt, I'd be tempted to say that too much damage has already been done for a recovery to be made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Diggle Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 Fair Point. and I agree that a vibrant trust can be a great thing. But oors is deid! One last thing though. I just hope they don't have the audacity to try a relaunch with any of the old faces. Let's hope the AGM is just the delivery of the death certificate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzie Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 Aye, I think we basically agree with each other on most of the points about the Trust, which doesn't make for great debate! Oh well - over and out from me aswell then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 I got the letters emailed to me this morning, thanks to whoever passsed the message on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rab_mackinnon Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 I've read a lot of the previous posts and taken a keen interest in this thread since it started. Since there has to be a clear bridge between the club and fans and steelmenonline and FPC have been a great tool for people like leeanne dempster to know what the fans grumbles are. On a more positive front having a trust that has fundraisers and gets the fans involved with the club is an essential part of being a motherwell fan. We are very passionate about our club and want to help and feel that we are a part of the club going forward. If in fact the MST is dead i'd love to part of a new trust that gets off on the right foot and has a common goal of supporting and being a part of pushing the club forward. Communication is key and the old mst website was an absolute disgrace in terms of conveying any sort of message to the members who had paid there hard earned. A website is i believe an essential part of a trust and a cost effective way of letting members know whats happening. Anybody else who is interested in undertaking this new venture please pm me. I've never had any involvement of any kind with trusts in the past and it would be up to whoever is interested to come up with what the trust would stand for and what we would be looking to achieve for the greater good of the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Diggle Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 Rab, FYI it would appear from the documentation that's come in today that whoever is left at the Trust intend to keep the thing running. Which is the the last thing that should happen. But they may just pull that off. . . . . . somehow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzie Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 Did it say on your documentation who was still on the board? By my reckoning it would be Martin Rose, Sandra Aird, John Wilson, Jim Frame, Andy Ross and Alistair Stewart. Six folk. And this is from the MST Constitution.... "54. With effect from the Society’s first annual general meeting, the Society Board is to have not less than 8 and not more than 15 members and will be made up as follows: a) 12 members of the Society Board or such higher number as shall be required so that elected members of the Board are in the majority over co-opted members will be elected by the members in accordance with such arrangements as shall be determined by the Society Board: up to 3 members will be co-opted by the Society Board in accordance with a Board Membership Policy which it will develop and adopt." So technically does that mean they are not able to continue, even if they want to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Diggle Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 No specifics on remaining board members - the AGM invite does ask for volunteers to join the board, hence my suggestion that there's a desire to keep the thing going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzie Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 That's all well and good, but the past couple of AGMs clearly show that the Trust currently struggle to get a dozen 'Well fans to meet once a year, never mind once a month. And if they've spent the last six months in breach of their own constitution, then surely something has to be done? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haggischomper Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 'Trust' seems to be a bit of a misnomer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 then surely something has to be done?Only if anybody has the inclination, time and ethusiasm to do so. Otherwise it will continue to be 'business as usual'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tweed Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 I'm not an expert but I would have thought they would have had to have an AGM to disband and allow any members (not board members) the opportunity to join the board to keep it going. If at that time they are unable to do so the AGM could either then disband the organisation or change the wording of the constitution assuming the AGM was quorate. All depends on the deeper wording of the constitution though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motherwell Seagull Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 I'm not an expert but I would have thought they would have had to have an AGM to disband and allow any members (not board members) the opportunity to join the board to keep it going. If at that time they are unable to do so the AGM could either then disband the organisation or change the wording of the constitution assuming the AGM was quorate. All depends on the deeper wording of the constitution though. Have a mate down here who reads these boards regularly (with a bit of luck this may goad him into posting himself) and he has been asking about our Trust for some time now. His reasonably neutral observation the other night was stark - if the Trust continues as is, it can only be through self interest. Am not saying that I necessarily agree with his point, but certainly can see where he is coming from. If they really are struggling to get more than a dozen folk interested as Frazzle suggests, then it really should be game over. The Trust should have been fantastic for a club like ours - the biggest endictment may well be that few will miss it if/when it goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 I just hope they don't have the audacity to try a relaunch with any of the old faces. Let's hope the AGM is just the delivery of the death certificate. I'll say again that the folk that I know on the Trust Board have given their all. Whether or not the Trust "relaunches" with any of the old faces is not up to them....its up to others, currently on the sidelines, to take up the baton. I'm quite certain many if not all of the current Board would welcome others on board to relaunch. You can't blame the current board for carrying on if no-one else steps up to ring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby Hugh Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 I'll say again that the folk that I know on the Trust Board have given their all. That line and Martin "In it for myself" Rose just doesn't sound right. Shug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 I was never a member of the Trust, but I keep hearing stories about Rose. If he was so self-serving, why did the members not just vote him off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaag Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 its no that easy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helliseasterroad Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 Got an email today form Sandra Aird with the account details and details of the AGM which is on 14th October at 7.30PM in the Cooper Suite.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 i'll be up front and say no matter what i'll not be joining or attending the meeting. i am however wondering what sort of objectives the trust have these days? i can't really think of any pressing issues right now and the biggest thing the trust have tackled during the past couple of years (the phil o'donnell tribute) seems to be up in the air at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helliseasterroad Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 With £12k in the bank, I'm sure there is something they can do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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