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thirdwell : (23 October 2017 - 03:48 AM)

I have spent the last hour reading some of the Rangers fans comments on the game. Each one of them said that the ref was a disgrace, that at least 3 Motherwell players should have been sent off and dozens of them claim to have heard the disgusting incident regarding Bowman breaking the nose!  In all my (almost) 50 years a 'Well fan I feel truly ashamed that the one and only great club in Scottish football is being victimised by the authorities (Rangers fans words not mine). I therefore urge that Motherwell, in fact all teams, that play Glasgow Rangers FC in future: do not tackle, do not jump for the ball, do not shot towards the Rangers goalmouth. If one of the opposition feels that a Ranger's player is a little tired or fatigued he should immediately notify the nearest official to have the game stopped so that said player may have a wee seat and a cuppa tea/coffee and a biscuit or two. This relaxation period is only relevant to players of RFC. If any other STEELMEN can think of any way that can improve Ranger chances of winning please feel free to add to the above list.   

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texanwellfan : (22 October 2017 - 03:51 PM)

glad to see us finally put them out of a cup

smiddy : (22 October 2017 - 03:45 PM)

no greetin but Sutton REALLY wants pedro pumped n mccoist has grudgingly conceded moult is better than there dumpling ,,,today hahaha


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This doesn't really fit in the other threads, but I'm interested in figuring out what kind of squad we could have come the end of the season, and what holes we will need to fill, and how we may approach that if we go down.

As far as I'm aware the following are all out of contract, not including the u20s:

Lasley, Kennedy, Moore, Ainsworth, Pearson, Faddy, Lucas, Samson, McDonald, sub goalie, Jules, chalmers - Would we bring any of these back?

1 more year - clay? Blyth? bowman, Moult, Hammel, McManus? Thomas - any extension possibilities?

Don't know - cadden, frear, heneghan, mchugh, tait

With the likelihood that our front two won't see next season at fir park, it looks like we will have bowman and someone. Will Mackin be an option?

In midfield we have mchugh and clay, with maybe cadden if he isn't sold, then add Campbell, hastie and Mclean from the u20s.

Defense looks worst though, with Hammel still under contract and as injury prone as he is now, we need a viable lb option.

My assumption is that if we go down we will push the u20s into the team, but maybe we should do that anyway?

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Its hard to know who should be let go/moved on/renewed etc. as the old "there must be someone out there better" isn't always true for a budget like ours. 

 

However, for me we really need to be looking at the below...my thoughts anyway...assuming we keep those contracted to 2018 or 2019.

 

Contract up this year:

Skippy - Renew if possible for 1 more year.

Ainsworth - Release. Does not feature enough or offer enough any more when he does.

Lasley - Release. Done.

Samson - Release. Shit.

Faddy - Release. Done

Chalmers - Release. Shit

Pearson - Unsure. Hasn't overly impressed

Kennedy - Release. Squad player not playing at all.

Lucas - Release. Injury prone.

Ferguson - Release. Not good enough in my opinion.

Griffiths - Goes back on loan

Jules - Goes back on loan

MacLean - Renew.

 

Contracted until 2018:

McManus - We need to be looking ahead to replacing McManus but I think he'll be starting next year. 

Heneghan 

McHugh 

Hammell - Can only be back up only.

Clay - Back up only in my eyes.

Thomas 

Moult 

Bowman 

Blyth 

 

Contracted until 2019:

Tait

McMillan

Cadden

Frear



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I'd keep Ainsworth. It's an entirely irrational heart over head decision and I'll happily admit that.
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Looking at all those out of contract, Skippy is the only one I'd be offering a deal but the likelihood is he'll be away. Of those contracted beyond the summer, I think we'll be looking to cut our ties with Hammell and Blyth if possible.

In terms of young players stepping up, MacLean, Campbell at Hastie look to be carrying the greatest promise. Mackin was mentioned above, he'll be the out the door.

So plenty of scope for a rebuild. Ideally we'd be looking at pre-contracts just now but that's unlikely given our precarious position and we may well lose ground on some of our competitors. Huge job for the manager regardless of what league we are in.



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Is there a way to have frear and Thomas in the team? Or is Thomas on the outs too?

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Its hard to know who should be let go/moved on/renewed etc. as the old "there must be someone out there better" isn't always true for a budget like ours. 
 
However, for me we really need to be looking at the below...my thoughts anyway...assuming we keep those contracted to 2018 or 2019.
 
Contract up this year:
Skippy - Renew if possible for 1 more year.
Ainsworth - Release. Does not feature enough or offer enough any more when he does.
Lasley - Release. Done.
Samson - Release. Shit.
Faddy - Release. Done
Chalmers - Release. Shit
Pearson - Unsure. Hasn't overly impressed
Kennedy - Release. Squad player not playing at all.
Lucas - Release. Injury prone.
Ferguson - Release. Not good enough in my opinion.
Griffiths - Goes back on loan
Jules - Goes back on loan
MacLean - Renew.
 
Contracted until 2018:
McManus - We need to be looking ahead to replacing McManus but I think he'll be starting next year. 
Heneghan 
McHugh 
Hammell - Can only be back up only.
Clay - Back up only in my eyes.
Thomas 
Moult 
Bowman 
Blyth 
 
Contracted until 2019:
Tait
McMillan
Cadden
Frear


I would only renew McDonald and Maclean
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I expect Skippy to be off at the end of this season.



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Skippy has been trying to leave the past couple windows, has he not?
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You would also have to expect that we will accept any half decent offer for Moult, as this would seem to be the optimum time to cash in on him.

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You would also have to expect that we will accept any half decent offer for Moult, as this would seem to be the optimum time to cash in on him.

I think Skippy will be gone.

 

Moult, yeah - but will that bid be forthcoming? 3 goals since the start of the year has taken the shine of a decent first half to the season with 11 goals and the goals against Celtic and Rangers.

 

I'd wager that unless he bangs in a few important goals in the run in to get nearer 20 then that bid might not materialise to a level for us to want to sell him.



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Skippy has been trying to leave the past couple windows, has he not?

 

I don't know how actively he's been trying to leave but he's certainly been listening offers and I'd be amazed if he didn't take one this summer.



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I think Skippy will be gone.
 
Moult, yeah - but will that bid be forthcoming? 3 goals since the start of the year has taken the shine of a decent first half to the season with 11 goals and the goals against Celtic and Rangers.
 
I'd wager that unless he bangs in a few important goals in the run in to get nearer 20 then that bid might not materialise to a level for us to want to sell him.


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Craig Moore is also out-of-contract this summer; not sure if he has done enough on loan to earn a new deal?



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I know it's not the way we do things but were we to stay up this season, I'd like to see us offer contracts to those players with a year left on their current deal that we might be able to build a team around. The likes of Heneghan, Moult and McHugh could be the spine of a decent team.

As others have said, it wouldn't be surprising if no one came in for Moult. Heneghan is another with room to improve but there are raw materials there. Offering these two guys contracts with a pay rise and an understanding that we wouldn't stand in their way should a certain bid be made or a club of a certain standing come in for them might be a way to go.

McHugh, I'd be offering the captaincy. While I don't have a great deal of sympathy for McGhee, his performances since his return make me wonder if our season might have turned out differently had he not been out for so long. Pretty much every game I've seen him play for us, he's been one of our two or three best players.

Other than that (assuming McDonald leaves), Frear, Tait, Cadden and the U20s that show the most promise would be the others I'd be looking to. The much maligned Clay would be a decent backup to have on the bench but Campbell and now Shea Gordon seem to be making an impression in the U20s midfield. If they're good enough they're old enough.

For me, looking for a fair few players this summer. Goalkeeper, left back, centre back and striker being the priorities...
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I would only renew McDonald and Maclean

Maclean signed a new deal recently, he's tied up to 2019 along with Campbell, McMillan, Turnbull and Hastie.

For once the club has actually been proactive and signed up its most promising youngsters on long term deals.
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I know it's not the way we do things but were we to stay up this season, I'd like to see us offer contracts to those players with a year left on their current deal that we might be able to build a team around. The likes of Heneghan, Moult and McHugh could be the spine of a decent team.

As others have said, it wouldn't be surprising if no one came in for Moult. Heneghan is another with room to improve but there are raw materials there. Offering these two guys contracts with a pay rise and an understanding that we wouldn't stand in their way should a certain bid be made or a club of a certain standing come in for them might be a way to go.

McHugh, I'd be offering the captaincy. While I don't have a great deal of sympathy for McGhee, his performances since his return make me wonder if our season might have turned out differently had he not been out for so long. Pretty much every game I've seen him play for us, he's been one of our two or three best players.

Other than that (assuming McDonald leaves), Frear, Tait, Cadden and the U20s that show the most promise would be the others I'd be looking to. The much maligned Clay would be a decent backup to have on the bench but Campbell and now Shea Gordon seem to be making an impression in the U20s midfield. If they're good enough they're old enough.

For me, looking for a fair few players this summer. Goalkeeper, left back, centre back and striker being the priorities...

I go along with that Greg, although I wouldn't be concerned if Tait moved on.  He's ok but not a great defender and I'd like to see us build from the back for once.  We have to sort out our defensive game. 


Part of the problem is an unrealistic level of expectation. We see football from all parts of Europe on television daily and fans are expecting....the technical ability and flair they see from Spain's La Liga and the top end of the English Premiership. Thats just not possible. It seems fashion is over-riding common sense.

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Priority should be getting a contract extention for McHugh.

Would like to see Moore given a crack at the first team alongsode Bowman if Skippy and Moult go, but think he will only get offered a deal if we go down.

See that Neil Alexander is leaving Aberdeen at the end of the season. Surely a better option than Samson? We're we not quite close to signing him before or did I just make that up?

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We need 2 Keepers,a left back,a centre half,couple centre midfielders,left winger and a couple of strikers and thats ONLY if we keep Cadden & Moult , who I believe will both leave! Quite the rebuild!!

(Potential 2017-18 Squad)
Gk.
Gk.
Rb. Richard Tait
Rb. Luke Watt
Lb.
Lb. Jack McMillan
Cd.
Cd. Stephen McManus
Cd. Ben Heneghan
Cd. Barry Maguire
Rm. Chris Cadden
Rm. Ross McLean
Lm.
Lm. Elliot Frear
Dm. Carl McHugh
Dm. Allan Campbell
Cm.
Cm.
St. Louis Moult
St. Ryan Bowman
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Priority should be getting a contract extention for McHugh.

Would like to see Moore given a crack at the first team alongsode Bowman if Skippy and Moult go, but think he will only get offered a deal if we go down.

See that Neil Alexander is leaving Aberdeen at the end of the season. Surely a better option than Samson? We're we not quite close to signing him before or did I just make that up?

He's 39. Not for me.



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We need 2 Keepers,a left back,a centre half,couple centre midfielders,left winger and a couple of strikers and thats ONLY if we keep Cadden & Moult , who I believe will both leave! Quite the rebuild!!

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Lb. Jack McMillan

Jack MacMillan is a right back.  Apart from that decent assessment.


Part of the problem is an unrealistic level of expectation. We see football from all parts of Europe on television daily and fans are expecting....the technical ability and flair they see from Spain's La Liga and the top end of the English Premiership. Thats just not possible. It seems fashion is over-riding common sense.




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